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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #15 on: 08 May 2009, 22:18:01 »

You couldn't make it up could you

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Tourism-Minister-Barbara-Follett-Claimed-More-Than-25000-On-Expenses-For-Security-Outside-Home/Article/200905215278386

I think its time we sent this gravy train & all its parasites over the cliff, then they have the cheek to address other mp's as my right honourable friend, so WTF is dishonourable, then they say we have not broken any rules, so who make the rules then, parliament?
Grrrrrr rather bunch of arse wipes >:( >:(
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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #16 on: 08 May 2009, 22:32:16 »

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"The higher the monkey climbs, the more it shows its arse".

everywhere ;D :y
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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #17 on: 08 May 2009, 23:11:58 »

I expect most will have read about the claim for two toilet seat repairs by Mr Two Jags, but I would like to draw your attention to comment No. 640 on the Guido Fawkes blog here:

http://www.order-order.com/2009/05/leak-about-leak-shows-panic/#comment-76063

It's got nothing to do with the sleaze as such, it's just got to be one of the funniest short comments I have read for a long time.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #18 on: 09 May 2009, 05:23:48 »

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I expect most will have read about the claim for two toilet seat repairs by Mr Two Jags, but I would like to draw your attention to comment No. 640 on the Guido Fawkes blog here:

http://www.order-order.com/2009/05/leak-about-leak-shows-panic/#comment-76063

It's got nothing to do with the sleaze as such, it's just got to be one of the funniest short comments I have read for a long time.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
As quoted by someone later on on in the blog......Let’s be honest, in Europe they are used to it. The EU gravy train is awash with swill and frankly makes our MP’s “fiddles” look like the office clerk pilfering pennies from the petty cash box.

A classic case of "Dont do as I do ,do as as I say" or in other words " F**k you jack I'm OK " >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #19 on: 09 May 2009, 12:15:06 »

It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.

That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  
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« Reply #20 on: 09 May 2009, 13:54:37 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.

That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


I would also add to my above post that this "greed of mankind" is not all negative, although at times it seems to be totally the case!

Without this natural drive for something better, man, and it is primarily man not women, we would now still be living in mud huts living a hand to mouth existence.   The evolutionary momentum and drive by man has ensured human progress has traveled forever upwards, with the ability to "stock up" using modern technology in farming, industrial and domestic techniques, and to give us 'leisure' time away from the continual hunt for food, and to have families when we want them, rather than an absolute necessity for future survival, to till the land and gather the harvest. 8-) 8-) 8-)

The negative is when the natural drive goes too far and corrupts, as in the case of the MP's and their expenses!! >:( >:(  
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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #21 on: 09 May 2009, 15:11:13 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.
That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


You wouldn't be looking for modern Cromwell there Ms Zoom? ;D ;D
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« Reply #22 on: 09 May 2009, 15:15:27 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.
That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


You wouldn't be looking for modern Cromwell there Ms Zoom? ;D ;D

No Zulu as, typically, absolute power as Cromwell had leads to power corrupts absolutely which is exactly where he went wrong!! :D :D ;)  


In my opinion this could be a role for the constitutional monarchy we have today, with non-political, neutral power to control the excesses of politicians. 8-) 8-)  
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« Reply #23 on: 09 May 2009, 15:17:30 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.

That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


I would also add to my above post that this "greed of mankind" is not all negative, although at times it seems to be totally the case!

Without this natural drive for something better, man, and it is primarily man not women, we would now still be living in mud huts living a hand to mouth existence.   The evolutionary momentum and drive by man has ensured human progress has traveled forever upwards, with the ability to "stock up" using modern technology in farming, industrial and domestic techniques, and to give us 'leisure' time away from the continual hunt for food, and to have families when we want them, rather than an absolute necessity for future survival, to till the land and gather the harvest. 8-) 8-) 8-)

The negative is when the natural drive goes too far and corrupts, as in the case of the MP's and their expenses!! >:( >:(  

I would submit that irrespective of whatever man (the sex) thought, women have always pulled the levers - and that's not necessarily a bad thing mind you :y
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« Reply #24 on: 09 May 2009, 15:20:49 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.
That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


You wouldn't be looking for modern Cromwell there Ms Zoom? ;D ;D

No Zulu as, typically, absolute power as Cromwell had leads to power corrupts absolutely which is exactly where he went wrong!! :D :D ;)  


In my opinion this could be a role for the constitutional monarchy we have today, with non-political, neutral power to control the excesses of politicians. 8-) 8-)  


Who might well be as open to the foibles of the human condition as any one Ms Zoom :-/ :-/
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« Reply #25 on: 09 May 2009, 15:22:24 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.

That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


I would also add to my above post that this "greed of mankind" is not all negative, although at times it seems to be totally the case!

Without this natural drive for something better, man, and it is primarily man not women, we would now still be living in mud huts living a hand to mouth existence.   The evolutionary momentum and drive by man has ensured human progress has traveled forever upwards, with the ability to "stock up" using modern technology in farming, industrial and domestic techniques, and to give us 'leisure' time away from the continual hunt for food, and to have families when we want them, rather than an absolute necessity for future survival, to till the land and gather the harvest. 8-) 8-) 8-)

The negative is when the natural drive goes too far and corrupts, as in the case of the MP's and their expenses!! >:( >:(  

I would submit that irrespective of whatever man (the sex) thought, women have always pulled the levers - and that's not necessarily a bad thing mind you :y

I wouldn't argue with that Zulu :y :y :D :D  However, it is the male who has the real testosterone fed sex drive that powers the notion "we can, we will, and no matter what, do better to achieve more"
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« Reply #26 on: 09 May 2009, 15:35:36 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.

That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


I would also add to my above post that this "greed of mankind" is not all negative, although at times it seems to be totally the case!

Without this natural drive for something better, man, and it is primarily man not women, we would now still be living in mud huts living a hand to mouth existence.   The evolutionary momentum and drive by man has ensured human progress has traveled forever upwards, with the ability to "stock up" using modern technology in farming, industrial and domestic techniques, and to give us 'leisure' time away from the continual hunt for food, and to have families when we want them, rather than an absolute necessity for future survival, to till the land and gather the harvest. 8-) 8-) 8-)

The negative is when the natural drive goes too far and corrupts, as in the case of the MP's and their expenses!! >:( >:(  

I would submit that irrespective of whatever man (the sex) thought, women have always pulled the levers - and that's not necessarily a bad thing mind you :y

I wouldn't argue with that Zulu :y :y :D :D  However, it is the male who has the real testosterone fed sex drive that powers the notion "we can, we will, and no matter what, do better to achieve more"

Yep take the point Ms Zoom :y but it's that drive, fed by the primeval essense, which has led us into the keek on so many occasions ;) I fear that balance, due concern for others and the new ideal of getting as much for one's self, over the backs of others, is the thought uppermost in many modern minds :( :(
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« Reply #27 on: 09 May 2009, 15:58:12 »

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It is simply the fact that mankind is born greedy and, given the opportunity, will always do everything they can to feather their own nests.  The great philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588 -1679) stated this, and the fact that man will always be at war with other men due to this greed, which requires good central control by a supreme 'Leviathan' power.

That is exactly what all MP's require; strict, powerful central control to stop this expenses madness which reflects pure greed  >:( >:(  


I would also add to my above post that this "greed of mankind" is not all negative, although at times it seems to be totally the case!

Without this natural drive for something better, man, and it is primarily man not women, we would now still be living in mud huts living a hand to mouth existence.   The evolutionary momentum and drive by man has ensured human progress has traveled forever upwards, with the ability to "stock up" using modern technology in farming, industrial and domestic techniques, and to give us 'leisure' time away from the continual hunt for food, and to have families when we want them, rather than an absolute necessity for future survival, to till the land and gather the harvest. 8-) 8-) 8-)

The negative is when the natural drive goes too far and corrupts, as in the case of the MP's and their expenses!! >:( >:(  

I would submit that irrespective of whatever man (the sex) thought, women have always pulled the levers - and that's not necessarily a bad thing mind you :y

I wouldn't argue with that Zulu :y :y :D :D  However, it is the male who has the real testosterone fed sex drive that powers the notion "we can, we will, and no matter what, do better to achieve more"

Yep take the point Ms Zoom :y but it's that drive, fed by the primeval essense, which has led us into the keek on so many occasions ;) I fear that balance, due concern for others and the new ideal of getting as much for one's self, over the backs of others, is the thought uppermost in many modern minds :( :(

This has always been so throughout time, and sometimes has risen to state level with political power and territorial greed leading to wars, such as the Boer War, especially the First World War, then the Second World War, and the Vietnam War. Modern affluence, and maybe secularism, has certainly led to us believing this is a rotten self centred age, but many in the 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th centuries thought the same, with workers, agricultural and later industrial, being exploited, and not forgetting such evils as the slave trade.

Our society today is actually well regulated, and gives most of us in the western world a comfortable existence.  At the moment though we have a problem with our Government (not a new phenomenon by any means) and an over liberalised system which creates perceived or actual injustice.  The Queen or future King could be the true politically neutral power that 'audits' our politicians, and holds them accountable.  We obviously do not want to return to the evils of an absolute monarchy, but we, the citizens, should fully use the advantages of our constitutional royalty.  Nothing though will ever be perfect, as history has proved!! ::) ::)
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Re: Oh Gordon, what have you done?
« Reply #28 on: 09 May 2009, 16:19:51 »

The sole reason for the existance of any life form is to pass on its genetic material, hence the 'selfish' gene kicks in to increase the chances of that happening!
Discuss...............
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« Reply #29 on: 09 May 2009, 16:21:30 »

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The sole reason for the existance of any life form is to pass on its genetic material, hence the 'selfish' gene kicks in to increase the chances of that happening!
Discuss...............


That is all completely natural and above board if you follow the limitations placed on you by man's legal and moral laws!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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