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[cem_devecioglu]

if you are hungry enough,

you can vote just for dry bread 

........sage words indeed cem 

Indeed. It sums up the situation perfectly. For ages there has been public concern regarding a few relatively straightforward issues; namely that our immigration policies are weak and not being enforced; Europe are getting too much control, etc. 

The mainstream politicians have largely ignored these issues, made excuses why they cannot be addressed and patronised us with the usual "nanny state knows best" cr@p.

Public opinion has now grown strong enough that such issues can be exploited by the likes of the BNP. I hope the mainstream parties take heed of the monster they have created [size=12] before it devours them[/size].

Kevin

yep..

you talked from the future which will likely happen Kevin.. History prooved that many times

British history Cem has actually proved how the governments of the day have always stayed one step ahead of possible revolutions.  These governments have always just stayed one step ahead by giving the British public just, and only just, what was required to keep the militants at bay.  Certainly from 1789, the time of the French Revolution, through to the social unrest of the 1800s, including a very real threat from the Chartists from about 1838 to 1848, the latter being a time of great European revolution, the government have produced 'reform' acts of varying degrees to keep the rebels at bay. This continued throughout the rest of the nineteenth century and well up to 1939.

The British government, along with opposition parties, will no doubt do this again by recognising why the BNP gained their two seats, almost by default, and apply new policies coupled with new acts of Parliament.

If they do this the 'revolution' will never happen as in the past.  If they fail to respond correctly then the situation will become worse.    

Thanks for the historical lesson Lizzie..

Your govt have the intelligency service handy aside..

if they use the info supplied they can do many..

good or bad , there are historical turn points in every nations past and future which are sometimes inevitable ..

so who knows what may happen after :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

if you are hungry enough,

you can vote just for dry bread 

........sage words indeed cem 

Indeed. It sums up the situation perfectly. For ages there has been public concern regarding a few relatively straightforward issues; namely that our immigration policies are weak and not being enforced; Europe are getting too much control, etc. 

The mainstream politicians have largely ignored these issues, made excuses why they cannot be addressed and patronised us with the usual "nanny state knows best" cr@p.

Public opinion has now grown strong enough that such issues can be exploited by the likes of the BNP. I hope the mainstream parties take heed of the monster they have created [size=12] before it devours them[/size].

Kevin

yep..

you talked from the future which will likely happen Kevin.. History prooved that many times

British history Cem has actually proved how the governments of the day have always stayed one step ahead of possible revolutions.  These governments have always just stayed one step ahead by giving the British public just, and only just, what was required to keep the militants at bay.  Certainly from 1789, the time of the French Revolution, through to the social unrest of the 1800s, including a very real threat from the Chartists from about 1838 to 1848, the latter being a time of great European revolution, the government have produced 'reform' acts of varying degrees to keep the rebels at bay. This continued throughout the rest of the nineteenth century and well up to 1939.

The British government, along with opposition parties, will no doubt do this again by recognising why the BNP gained their two seats, almost by default, and apply new policies coupled with new acts of Parliament.

If they do this the 'revolution' will never happen as in the past.  If they fail to respond correctly then the situation will become worse.    

Thanks for the historical lesson Lizzie..

Your govt have the intelligency service handy aside..

if they use the info supplied they can do many..

good or bad , there are historical turn points in every nations past and future which are sometimes inevitable ..

so who knows what may happen after :-/

That is the great part about all this Cem! 8-) 8-) 8-)

The British will no doubt see something new emerge that hopefully will create an improved political era. But what that will be only God knows currently  

[crazyjoetavola]

if you are hungry enough,

you can vote just for dry bread 

........sage words indeed cem 

Indeed. It sums up the situation perfectly. For ages there has been public concern regarding a few relatively straightforward issues; namely that our immigration policies are weak and not being enforced; Europe are getting too much control, etc. 

The mainstream politicians have largely ignored these issues, made excuses why they cannot be addressed and patronised us with the usual "nanny state knows best" cr@p.

Public opinion has now grown strong enough that such issues can be exploited by the likes of the BNP. I hope the mainstream parties take heed of the monster they have created [size=12] before it devours them[/size].

Kevin

yep..

you talked from the future which will likely happen Kevin.. History prooved that many times

British history Cem has actually proved how the governments of the day have always stayed one step ahead of possible revolutions.  These governments have always just stayed one step ahead by giving the British public just, and only just, what was required to keep the militants at bay.  Certainly from 1789, the time of the French Revolution, through to the social unrest of the 1800s, including a very real threat from the Chartists from about 1838 to 1848, the latter being a time of great European revolution, the government have produced 'reform' acts of varying degrees to keep the rebels at bay. This continued throughout the rest of the nineteenth century and well up to 1939.

The British government, along with opposition parties, will no doubt do this again by recognising why the BNP gained their two seats, almost by default, and apply new policies coupled with new acts of Parliament.

If they do this the 'revolution' will never happen as in the past.  If they fail to respond correctly then the situation will become worse.    

Thanks for the historical lesson Lizzie..

Your govt have the intelligency service handy aside..

if they use the info supplied they can do many..

good or bad , there are historical turn points in every nations past and future which are sometimes inevitable ..

so who knows what may happen after :-/

...once again cem has identified the real point by stating just how this might be handled by the legislature.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

if you are hungry enough,

you can vote just for dry bread 

........sage words indeed cem 

Indeed. It sums up the situation perfectly. For ages there has been public concern regarding a few relatively straightforward issues; namely that our immigration policies are weak and not being enforced; Europe are getting too much control, etc. 

The mainstream politicians have largely ignored these issues, made excuses why they cannot be addressed and patronised us with the usual "nanny state knows best" cr@p.

Public opinion has now grown strong enough that such issues can be exploited by the likes of the BNP. I hope the mainstream parties take heed of the monster they have created [size=12] before it devours them[/size].

Kevin

yep..

you talked from the future which will likely happen Kevin.. History prooved that many times

British history Cem has actually proved how the governments of the day have always stayed one step ahead of possible revolutions.  These governments have always just stayed one step ahead by giving the British public just, and only just, what was required to keep the militants at bay.  Certainly from 1789, the time of the French Revolution, through to the social unrest of the 1800s, including a very real threat from the Chartists from about 1838 to 1848, the latter being a time of great European revolution, the government have produced 'reform' acts of varying degrees to keep the rebels at bay. This continued throughout the rest of the nineteenth century and well up to 1939.

The British government, along with opposition parties, will no doubt do this again by recognising why the BNP gained their two seats, almost by default, and apply new policies coupled with new acts of Parliament.

If they do this the 'revolution' will never happen as in the past.  If they fail to respond correctly then the situation will become worse.    

Thanks for the historical lesson Lizzie..

Your govt have the intelligency service handy aside..

if they use the info supplied they can do many..

good or bad , there are historical turn points in every nations past and future which are sometimes inevitable ..

so who knows what may happen after :-/

...once again cem has identified the real point by stating just how this might be handled by the legislature.

Certainly the governments of the years I spoke of, right up to day, have always used their intelligence arms to be that 'one step ahead' of any possible threatening organisation or its individuals.

I would not at all doubt that MI5 are already well engaged in monitoring the BNP, like they would some other 'radical' organisations, now or in the past.

[Del Boy]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

[crazyjoetavola]

if you are hungry enough,

you can vote just for dry bread 

........sage words indeed cem 

Indeed. It sums up the situation perfectly. For ages there has been public concern regarding a few relatively straightforward issues; namely that our immigration policies are weak and not being enforced; Europe are getting too much control, etc. 

The mainstream politicians have largely ignored these issues, made excuses why they cannot be addressed and patronised us with the usual "nanny state knows best" cr@p.

Public opinion has now grown strong enough that such issues can be exploited by the likes of the BNP. I hope the mainstream parties take heed of the monster they have created [size=12] before it devours them[/size].

Kevin

yep..

you talked from the future which will likely happen Kevin.. History prooved that many times

British history Cem has actually proved how the governments of the day have always stayed one step ahead of possible revolutions.  These governments have always just stayed one step ahead by giving the British public just, and only just, what was required to keep the militants at bay.  Certainly from 1789, the time of the French Revolution, through to the social unrest of the 1800s, including a very real threat from the Chartists from about 1838 to 1848, the latter being a time of great European revolution, the government have produced 'reform' acts of varying degrees to keep the rebels at bay. This continued throughout the rest of the nineteenth century and well up to 1939.

The British government, along with opposition parties, will no doubt do this again by recognising why the BNP gained their two seats, almost by default, and apply new policies coupled with new acts of Parliament.

If they do this the 'revolution' will never happen as in the past.  If they fail to respond correctly then the situation will become worse.    

Thanks for the historical lesson Lizzie..

Your govt have the intelligency service handy aside..

if they use the info supplied they can do many..

good or bad , there are historical turn points in every nations past and future which are sometimes inevitable ..

so who knows what may happen after :-/

...once again cem has identified the real point by stating just how this might be handled by the legislature.

Certainly the governments of the years I spoke of, right up to day, have always used their intelligence arms to be that 'one step ahead' of any possible threatening organisation or its individuals.

I would not at all doubt that MI5 are already well engaged in monitoring the BNP, like they would some other 'radical' organisations, now or in the past.

........and other things Ms Zoom 

[Nickbat]

Lizzie: "I would not at all doubt that MI5 are already well engaged in monitoring the BNP, like they would some other 'radical' organisations, now or in the past."

But the government may well decide that UKIP or even the Tories are "radical". 

I read somewhere within the last day or two, that election officers write each elector's code on the ballot paper, so the papers can easily be linked back to the elector's name and address. In other words, THEY know how you voted. 

Anyone know if this is true?   :-/   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Lizzie: "I would not at all doubt that MI5 are already well engaged in monitoring the BNP, like they would some other 'radical' organisations, now or in the past."

But the government may well decide that UKIP or even the Tories are "radical". 

I read somewhere within the last day or two, that election officers write each elector's code on the ballot paper, so the papers can easily be linked back to the elector's name and address. In other words, THEY know how you voted. 

Anyone know if this is true?   :-/   

Cannot argue with that Nick, as I think the Damian Green affair proved with the government dangerously coming very close to crossing the democratic / police state line, which incedently cost £100,000 of public money!!

[Banjax]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

OK i know i said i wouldn't comment again...but -
i, like everyone else in this country can decide who we vote for and can legitimately disagree with anyone else - i am also allowed to express personal opinions...such as - i am appalled at the number of people who vote BNP, thats because, i am appalled - thats my opinion.

calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist doesn't help anyones argument  :-?

no further comment (honest  )

[Del Boy]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

OK i know i said i wouldn't comment again...but -
i, like everyone else in this country can decide who we vote for and can legitimately disagree with anyone else - i am also allowed to express personal opinions...such as - i am appalled at the number of people who vote BNP, thats because, i am appalled - thats my opinion.

calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist doesn't help anyones argument  :-?

no further comment (honest  )

People are entitled to their opinions, but has anyone said they're appalled for who you voted for? It is fascism if you are appalled because someone voted for someone different to you isn't it?

All I was saying was if you don't like something that the BNP it's a little hypocritial that you then do it I also will not comment further more  I probably will but y'know 

[Banjax]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

OK i know i said i wouldn't comment again...but -
i, like everyone else in this country can decide who we vote for and can legitimately disagree with anyone else - i am also allowed to express personal opinions...such as - i am appalled at the number of people who vote BNP, thats because, i am appalled - thats my opinion.

calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist doesn't help anyones argument  :-?

no further comment (honest  )

People are entitled to their opinions, but has anyone said they're appalled for who you voted for? It is fascism if you are appalled because someone voted for someone different to you isn't it?

All I was saying was if you don't like something that the BNP it's a little hypocritial that you then do it I also will not comment further more  I probably will but y'know 

i know what you're saying LSG - i'd just rather live in a society where we're all free to comment (and i'm assuming you do to) - but like you said - i'm not gonna say another word - i've exhausted all my rants for a month on this topic - so, is anyone watching the game tonight?

[cem_devecioglu]

Can we have a 'throw eggs' button please?

I like that idea



seriously I'm surprised that whatever happened in England I watch in my local news.. :-?

Nearly for 10 minutes the news showed this "throwing egg" event..and people shout against them.. Seems the borders are virtually lost in our daily life of interest..

[Del Boy]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

OK i know i said i wouldn't comment again...but -
i, like everyone else in this country can decide who we vote for and can legitimately disagree with anyone else - i am also allowed to express personal opinions...such as - i am appalled at the number of people who vote BNP, thats because, i am appalled - thats my opinion.

calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist doesn't help anyones argument  :-?

no further comment (honest  )

People are entitled to their opinions, but has anyone said they're appalled for who you voted for? It is fascism if you are appalled because someone voted for someone different to you isn't it?

All I was saying was if you don't like something that the BNP it's a little hypocritial that you then do it I also will not comment further more  I probably will but y'know 

i know what you're saying LSG - i'd just rather live in a society where we're all free to comment (and i'm assuming you do to) - but like you said - i'm not gonna say another word - i've exhausted all my rants for a month on this topic - so, is anyone watching the game tonight?

Indeed mate nicely said 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

OK i know i said i wouldn't comment again...but -
i, like everyone else in this country can decide who we vote for and can legitimately disagree with anyone else - i am also allowed to express personal opinions...such as - i am appalled at the number of people who vote BNP, thats because, i am appalled - thats my opinion.

calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist doesn't help anyones argument  :-?

no further comment (honest  )

People are entitled to their opinions, but has anyone said they're appalled for who you voted for? It is fascism if you are appalled because someone voted for someone different to you isn't it?

All I was saying was if you don't like something that the BNP it's a little hypocritial that you then do it I also will not comment further more  I probably will but y'know 

i know what you're saying LSG - i'd just rather live in a society where we're all free to comment (and i'm assuming you do to) - but like you said - i'm not gonna say another word - i've exhausted all my rants for a month on this topic - so, is anyone watching the game tonight?

Indeed mate nicely said 

Blimey all this outpouring of mutual acknowledgement is making me weep with joy!


I reckon it is time to close the thread again! 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Banjax]

voted - and frankly appalled at the huge vote for BNP - maybe nickbat's right - they feed on the oxygen of publicity - BNP barely register north of the border normally - but latest polls have 2.5% voting for them!

hopefully, with all theis publicity they'll be shown up for what they are....or do some not care what they are?

So your saying your appalled that people haven't got the same views as you? Isn't that the fascism that you hate?

OK i know i said i wouldn't comment again...but -
i, like everyone else in this country can decide who we vote for and can legitimately disagree with anyone else - i am also allowed to express personal opinions...such as - i am appalled at the number of people who vote BNP, thats because, i am appalled - thats my opinion.

calling everyone who disagrees with you a fascist doesn't help anyones argument  :-?

no further comment (honest  )

People are entitled to their opinions, but has anyone said they're appalled for who you voted for? It is fascism if you are appalled because someone voted for someone different to you isn't it?

All I was saying was if you don't like something that the BNP it's a little hypocritial that you then do it I also will not comment further more  I probably will but y'know 

i know what you're saying LSG - i'd just rather live in a society where we're all free to comment (and i'm assuming you do to) - but like you said - i'm not gonna say another word - i've exhausted all my rants for a month on this topic - so, is anyone watching the game tonight?

Indeed mate nicely said 

Blimey all this outpouring of mutual acknowledgement is making me weep with joy!


I reckon it is time to close the thread again! 8-) 8-) 8-)

I second that (e)motion