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Nickbat

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Back on my hobby horse...
« on: 14 June 2009, 01:06:21 »

Couple of news items on the great global warming scam:

First up, a new book, entitled Climate Capers by Emeritus Professor Garth Paltridge, an atmospheric physicist.
 
http://www.connorcourt.com/catalog1/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=113

"It seems that governments are indeed becoming captive to a scientific and technological elite – an elite which is achieving its ends by manipulating fear of climate change into the world’s greatest example of a religion for the politically correct."

Second, cooler (yes, not warmer temperatures) temperatures bring crop worries:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5525933/Crops-under-stress-as-temperatures-fall.html

"One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat."

Meanwhile, the banks are getting heavily involved in carbon trading which, like mortgage-backed securities, comprise a bubble just waiting to burst. Only it will make a bigger bang when it goes.  :( :(
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crazyjoetavola

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« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2009, 01:14:31 »

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Couple of news items on the great global warming scam:

First up, a new book, entitled Climate Capers by Emeritus Professor Garth Paltridge, an atmospheric physicist.
 
http://www.connorcourt.com/catalog1/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=113

"It seems that governments are indeed becoming captive to a scientific and technological elite – an elite which is achieving its ends by manipulating fear of climate change into the world’s greatest example of a religion for the politically correct."

Second, cooler (yes, not warmer temperatures) temperatures bring crop worries:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5525933/Crops-under-stress-as-temperatures-fall.html

"One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat."

Meanwhile, the banks are getting heavily involved in carbon trading which, like mortgage-backed securities, comprise a bubble just waiting to burst. Only it will make a bigger bang when it goes.  :( :(

.....well it's par for this course Nick, but as usual, we'll have to pay the green fees ;) ;)

The following is pertinent;

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Nickbat

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« Reply #2 on: 14 June 2009, 01:31:07 »

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Couple of news items on the great global warming scam:

First up, a new book, entitled Climate Capers by Emeritus Professor Garth Paltridge, an atmospheric physicist.
 
http://www.connorcourt.com/catalog1/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=29&products_id=113

"It seems that governments are indeed becoming captive to a scientific and technological elite – an elite which is achieving its ends by manipulating fear of climate change into the world’s greatest example of a religion for the politically correct."

Second, cooler (yes, not warmer temperatures) temperatures bring crop worries:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5525933/Crops-under-stress-as-temperatures-fall.html

"One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat."

Meanwhile, the banks are getting heavily involved in carbon trading which, like mortgage-backed securities, comprise a bubble just waiting to burst. Only it will make a bigger bang when it goes.  :( :(

.....well it's par for this course Nick, but as usual, we'll have to pay the green fees ;) ;)

The following is pertinent;


Yes. ironic that the Greens put themselves forward as the compassionate ones, yet are often the reverse. Reminds me of the DDT scam.  ::)
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crazyjoetavola

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« Reply #3 on: 14 June 2009, 01:38:24 »

Indeed so Nick - made blind by dint of conviction is no excuse :y
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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Back on my hobby horse...
« Reply #4 on: 14 June 2009, 10:56:10 »

Well all I know today is that it is lovely and warm today in the South East!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Bring on the Mediterranean type weather! :D :D :D :D ;)

All I need to do is lay marble floors and install air conditioning. ;) ;)   

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« Reply #5 on: 14 June 2009, 11:03:40 »

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Well all I know today is that it is lovely and warm today in the South East!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Bring on the Mediterranean type weather! :D :D :D :D ;)

All I need to do is lay marble floors and install air conditioning. ;) ;)   


How very un-Green of you Lizzie! I'm shocked.  :o

P.S. If you spot any good A/C deals, please let me know.  ;)  ;D ;D
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« Reply #6 on: 14 June 2009, 11:35:10 »

Have you seen Audi's recent ads about how they save some braking energy, and return it to the battery. OK, so they are using the alternator to provide some braking, but the effect must be minimal, and there will be naff all energy saved, as the battery should be fully charged by the alternator with a couple of minutes of starting the engine. More cobblers for a gullible consumer.

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« Reply #7 on: 14 June 2009, 11:37:02 »

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Well all I know today is that it is lovely and warm today in the South East!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Bring on the Mediterranean type weather! :D :D :D :D ;)

All I need to do is lay marble floors and install air conditioning. ;) ;)   


How very un-Green of you Lizzie! I'm shocked.  :o

P.S. If you spot any good A/C deals, please let me know.  ;)  ;D ;D

Well Nick, every girl has her price, and if it is a choice between being 'green' or enjoying the sun, the latter is the only winner!! ;D ;D ;D

As for the A/C it is like my dream of a Senator, 3.2 miggy, and a Bugatti; it will just have to wait for now!! ::) ::) ::) :'( :'(
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« Reply #8 on: 14 June 2009, 12:22:57 »

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Well all I know today is that it is lovely and warm today in the South East!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Bring on the Mediterranean type weather! :D :D :D :D ;)

All I need to do is lay marble floors and install air conditioning. ;) ;)   


How very un-Green of you Lizzie! I'm shocked.  :o

P.S. If you spot any good A/C deals, please let me know.  ;)  ;D ;D

Well Nick, every girl has her price, and if it is a choice between being 'green' or enjoying the sun, the latter is the only winner!! ;D ;D ;D

As for the A/C it is like my dream of a Senator, 3.2 miggy, and a Bugatti; it will just have to wait for now!! ::) ::) ::) :'( :'(


every girl has her price

....I was of that opinion on an occasion when much younger Ms Zoom - I had my face very severly slapped for it ;D ;)


and if it is a choice between being 'green' or enjoying the sun, the latter is the only winner!!

........very well said 8-) 8-) 8-)  Oh and on the marble thing -  nice to look at but one's booddyyy tends to stick to it :-[ :-[ :-* :y
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« Reply #9 on: 14 June 2009, 12:26:41 »

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Well all I know today is that it is lovely and warm today in the South East!! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Bring on the Mediterranean type weather! :D :D :D :D ;)

All I need to do is lay marble floors and install air conditioning. ;) ;)   


How very un-Green of you Lizzie! I'm shocked.  :o

P.S. If you spot any good A/C deals, please let me know.  ;)  ;D ;D

Well Nick, every girl has her price, and if it is a choice between being 'green' or enjoying the sun, the latter is the only winner!! ;D ;D ;D

As for the A/C it is like my dream of a Senator, 3.2 miggy, and a Bugatti; it will just have to wait for now!! ::) ::) ::) :'( :'(


every girl has her price

....I was of that opinion on an occasion when much younger Ms Zoom - I had my face very severly slapped for it ;D ;)


and if it is a choice between being 'green' or enjoying the sun, the latter is the only winner!!

........very well said 8-) 8-) 8-)  Oh and on the marble thing -  nice to look at but one's booddyyy tends to stick to it :-[ :-[ :-* :y


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)

As for the marble Zulu there is nothing like it when you are very hot, and you just lay on it soaking up the coolness, before going out again into the 100+ degree heat!! 8-) 8-) 8-)   That is what I did in my younger days anyway, and have done it when returning to the 'lands of the sun' :-* :-* 8-) 8-) 
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« Reply #10 on: 14 June 2009, 12:48:11 »

39 here today, bit of a mini heatwave!

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« Reply #11 on: 14 June 2009, 17:13:54 »

Just read this:

"But the worst cost of exaggeration, I believe, is the unnecessary alarm that it causes — particularly among children. Recently, I discussed climate change with a group of Danish teenagers. One of them worried that global warming would cause the planet to “explode” — and all the others had similar fears.

In the US, the ABC TV network recently reported that psychologists were starting to see more neuroses in people anxious about climate change. An article in the Washington Post cited nine-year-old Alyssa, who cries about the possibility of mass animal extinctions from global warming.

...In a new survey of 500 US pre-teens, it was found that one in three children between the ages of six and 11 feared that the Earth would not exist when they reach adulthood because of global warming and other environmental threats. An unbelievable one-third of our children believe that they don’t have a future because of scary global warming stories.

We see the same pattern in the UK, where a survey showed that half of young children between the ages of seven and 11 were anxious about the effects of global warming, often losing sleep because of their concern. This is grotesquely harmful.

And let us be honest. This scare was intended. Children believe that global warming will destroy the planet before they grow up because adults are telling them that .

Nowhere is this deliberate fearmongering more obvious than in Gore’s Inconvenient Truth, a film that was marketed as “by far the most terrifying film you will ever see.”

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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2009/06/15/2003446178


This is an absolute disgrace. >:(

What are the chances of Al Gore being arrested on child abuse charges? >:(

I know, none.  >:(  >:(  >:(
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« Reply #12 on: 14 June 2009, 17:50:17 »

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Just read this:

"But the worst cost of exaggeration, I believe, is the unnecessary alarm that it causes — particularly among children. Recently, I discussed climate change with a group of Danish teenagers. One of them worried that global warming would cause the planet to “explode” — and all the others had similar fears.

In the US, the ABC TV network recently reported that psychologists were starting to see more neuroses in people anxious about climate change. An article in the Washington Post cited nine-year-old Alyssa, who cries about the possibility of mass animal extinctions from global warming.

...In a new survey of 500 US pre-teens, it was found that one in three children between the ages of six and 11 feared that the Earth would not exist when they reach adulthood because of global warming and other environmental threats. An unbelievable one-third of our children believe that they don’t have a future because of scary global warming stories.

We see the same pattern in the UK, where a survey showed that half of young children between the ages of seven and 11 were anxious about the effects of global warming, often losing sleep because of their concern. This is grotesquely harmful.

And let us be honest. This scare was intended. Children believe that global warming will destroy the planet before they grow up because adults are telling them that .

Nowhere is this deliberate fearmongering more obvious than in Gore’s Inconvenient Truth, a film that was marketed as “by far the most terrifying film you will ever see.”

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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2009/06/15/2003446178


This is an absolute disgrace. >:(

What are the chances of Al Gore being arrested on child abuse charges? >:(

I know, none.  >:(  >:(  >:(



...........he should be kicked firmly but very decidely to the kerb :y


The following is worth the read - especially the final two paragraphs.  They show the train of thought that might well result in open and innocent minds being corrupted by those with sinister intent, as depending on the message, this type of manipulation can work both ways.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/25386
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« Reply #13 on: 14 June 2009, 20:16:08 »

Zulu77: The following is worth the read - especially the final two paragraphs.  They show the train of thought that might well result in open and innocent minds being corrupted by those with sinister intent, as depending on the message, this type of manipulation can work both ways.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/25386


That is indeed scary, Zulu.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #14 on: 14 June 2009, 21:34:49 »

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Have you seen Audi's recent ads about how they save some braking energy, and return it to the battery. OK, so they are using the alternator to provide some braking, but the effect must be minimal, and there will be naff all energy saved, as the battery should be fully charged by the alternator with a couple of minutes of starting the engine. More cobblers for a gullible consumer.

Ken

Yes, I spotted that load of old tripe. ;D

Hardly a radical new technology. Switching off the alternator's field windings unless in overrun or battery low. All of 3 lines of code in the ECU.

Most of the drag from a lightly loaded alternator is probably in the fan and bearings and the belt that drives it - not the fact that it's charging the battery.

However, to the average Joe that advert sounds almost like it's some sort of hybrid. Very misleading.

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