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« Reply #60 on: 18 June 2009, 22:44:39 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFA5vWktu8[/media]
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« Reply #61 on: 18 June 2009, 22:45:34 »

Cem - if you meant "who" is that : -

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« Reply #62 on: 18 June 2009, 22:50:33 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaFA5vWktu8[/media]

remember i said Zulu77 for PM? well i'm taking it back  ;D ;D
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« Reply #63 on: 18 June 2009, 22:50:46 »

I see  ;D ;D
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« Reply #64 on: 18 June 2009, 22:55:10 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y
....The great only appear great because the workers are on their knees
....to each according to their need,from each according to their ability.
workers have nothing to lose but their chains
etc,etc......I used to love all that rhetoric when I was in my 20,s :y :)
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« Reply #65 on: 18 June 2009, 23:04:44 »

..and here's another good Marx Brothers' clip:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f01TK_VPAtA&feature=related[/media]

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« Reply #66 on: 18 June 2009, 23:12:42 »

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..and here's another good Marx Brothers' clip:

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comedy genius  :y :y
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« Reply #67 on: 18 June 2009, 23:43:20 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y
....The great only appear great because the workers are on their knees
....to each according to their need,from each according to their ability.
workers have nothing to lose but their chains
etc,etc......I used to love all that rhetoric when I was in my 20,s :y :)

I still love it all now in my fifties, but I have got two Doctors, one of Politics one of History, who are Marxists! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Marx and Engel's have suggested a great way forward, but it requires very brave politicians to try them out in the current capitalist western world which is still alive and kicking inspite of what Marx predicted. ::) ::) :'( :'(
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« Reply #68 on: 18 June 2009, 23:46:52 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y
....The great only appear great because the workers are on their knees
....to each according to their need,from each according to their ability.
workers have nothing to lose but their chains
etc,etc......I used to love all that rhetoric when I was in my 20,s :y :)

I still love it all now in my fifties, but I have got two Doctors, one of Politics one of History, who are Marxists! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Marx and Engel's have suggested a great way forward, but it requires very brave politicians to try them out in the current capitalist western world which is still alive and kicking inspite of what Marx predicted. ::) ::) :'( :'(

...does that indicate the fundamental flaw in the Marxist ideal Ms Zoom? :-/ :-/
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« Reply #69 on: 18 June 2009, 23:58:12 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y
....The great only appear great because the workers are on their knees
....to each according to their need,from each according to their ability.
workers have nothing to lose but their chains
etc,etc......I used to love all that rhetoric when I was in my 20,s :y :)

I still love it all now in my fifties, but I have got two Doctors, one of Politics one of History, who are Marxists! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Marx and Engel's have suggested a great way forward, but it requires very brave politicians to try them out in the current capitalist western world which is still alive and kicking inspite of what Marx predicted. ::) ::) :'( :'(

...does that indicate the fundemental flaw in the Marxist ideal Ms Zoom? :-/ :-/

No, because Marx could not predict how long it would take before capitalism collapsed in on itself, which indeed very nearly transpired in the final months of 2008.  It will happen as he predicted.  It is not "if" but "when", and that will be when the masses finally loose patience with the system that alienates them from their creative self, for the benefit of the minority elite who will never allow equality.  Only then will mankind be truly free to follow their spirit. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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« Reply #70 on: 19 June 2009, 00:08:37 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y
....The great only appear great because the workers are on their knees
....to each according to their need,from each according to their ability.
workers have nothing to lose but their chains
etc,etc......I used to love all that rhetoric when I was in my 20,s :y :)

I still love it all now in my fifties, but I have got two Doctors, one of Politics one of History, who are Marxists! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Marx and Engel's have suggested a great way forward, but it requires very brave politicians to try them out in the current capitalist western world which is still alive and kicking inspite of what Marx predicted. ::) ::) :'( :'(

...does that indicate the fundemental flaw in the Marxist ideal Ms Zoom? :-/ :-/

No, because Marx could not predict how long it would take before capitalism collapsed in on itself, which indeed very nearly transpired in the final months of 2008.  It will happen as he predicted.  It is not "if" but "when", and that will be when the masses finally loose patience with the system that alienates them from their creative self, for the benefit of the minority elite who will never allow equality.  Only then will mankind be truly free to follow their spirit. 8-) 8-) 8-)


If I might say Ms Zoom - [size=16]right on[/size] 8-) 8-) 8-) ( I'll still read a bit on Marx all the same ) ;) ;)
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« Reply #71 on: 19 June 2009, 00:18:08 »

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Bannjaxx: i'm not and have never been a marxist(despite waht nickbat'll tell you  :y)  -

Listen, Sunshine, you have to be a Marxist otherwise my Marx Brothers' quip falls flat on its face!  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D if Cem's Karl Marx - i'll be Groucho  :y

ok how is that..

"workers of all countries , unite" :y


Power to the People Comrade Cem!!  :y :y
....The great only appear great because the workers are on their knees
....to each according to their need,from each according to their ability.
workers have nothing to lose but their chains
etc,etc......I used to love all that rhetoric when I was in my 20,s :y :)

I still love it all now in my fifties, but I have got two Doctors, one of Politics one of History, who are Marxists! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

Marx and Engel's have suggested a great way forward, but it requires very brave politicians to try them out in the current capitalist western world which is still alive and kicking inspite of what Marx predicted. ::) ::) :'( :'(

...does that indicate the fundemental flaw in the Marxist ideal Ms Zoom? :-/ :-/

No, because Marx could not predict how long it would take before capitalism collapsed in on itself, which indeed very nearly transpired in the final months of 2008. It willl happen as he predicted.  It is not "if" but "when", and that will be when the masses finally loose patience with the system that alienates them from their creative self, for the benefit of the minority elite who will never allow equality.  Only then will mankind be truly free to follow their spirit. 8-) 8-) 8-)

No, it won't, Lizzie.

Capitalism is the private ownership of the factors of production. Anyone who thinks that all private enterprises could ever be transferred to the state without violence (which is what would be required) is seriously deluded. OK, a few banks have been bailed out and states have bought part equity - that's not the end of capitalism. Indeed, capitalism will never end, since it is the economic scenario that most closely matches human nature. In essence, the harder you work, the more you shall receive. The socialist/Marxist stance, that every one is equal, assumes that each individual will put the same effort in to receive the same reward. Nice thought, but ignores many human frailties such as laziness and greed. A sponger will never work as hard as someone who has a moral conscience, or someone who wants more of the cake. If they get paid the same, despite the effort, the workers who have put in the extra effort (for whatever motivation) will work less hard and the system will reduce down to the lowest common denominator, i.e the sponger.

Capitalism (albeit regulated to reduce excesses) will always remain the prevailing system.      
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« Reply #72 on: 19 June 2009, 00:30:02 »

Capitalism


Comunism


Nice idea, but it just don't work, as nickbat said.
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« Reply #73 on: 19 June 2009, 00:31:34 »

Lizzie wrote: but I have got two Doctors, one of Politics one of History, who are Marxists!

But who pays for them? The state.
Who pays the state? The tax-payers.
Which countries have the highest tax revenues? Captalist countries.

The can afford to be airy-fairy Marxists as they don't actually produce anything, but rely on those who do to pay their income.
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« Reply #74 on: 19 June 2009, 00:34:05 »

and as Ron Burgundy rightly pointed out, Marxist/Communist states offer no choice. When you think about it, the ability to choose what you want as a reward for your labours, is in itself, a freedom.  :y
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