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Re: bankrupt
« Reply #15 on: 28 June 2009, 20:40:09 »

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt about 18 months ago, I will qualify my advice that it's based on rules then and I have no idea if anything has changed in that time.

#1 point, forget any so called 'stigma' I held on for a year past what I should have, when I did the deed the release of stress was amazing. It was singly the best thing I have ever done.

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Go to http://www.cccs.co.uk/ these are a registered charity so not in it for any money. Fill out the online debt remedy form (they will ask for this when you call), then call them :)
IVA's are bad, if you get the option avoid them.
Cost used to be a bit over 500 quid, (350 to go bankupt, 150 court fees), that split caught me out.
If you still have credit get the fee out cash, put it to one side, wait a couple of weeks then hit the courts, this way your fee is in the total that you go bankrupt for  ;)
£1500 for a car is about right, any thing over that they expect you to sell it and buy cheaper. Declare the car as a necessity to work, ditto with your tools. Don't worry about the council house, just make sure that they get paid in full and never go into arrears, ditto with council tax. You can in theory add them to your bankrupt total but that just gives them leaway to evict you.

When you fill out the CCCS form write down all your figures and how you calculated them, you WILL end up referring back to them. You can get away with very creative accounting so long as you don't take the piss, for example I based my petrol usage on 20mpg, taking the longest route to work and filling up at the most expensive garage.

Google is your friend here, I spent a week searching govt sites, finance forums etc etc looking at what I could claim. For example a lot of people miss that you can put in a monthly amount towards a cheap 1 week holiday. Your aim is to create a list of essential outgoings as high as possible while making it look like your minimum requirement to live.

Discharge period is 12 months, if your situation is simple it can be as little as 5 months. You dont have to remain unemployed to get early discharge, the key is that your monthly income must not exceed your declared (agreed by them) expenses by more than £50-£75, if it does they review the figures and expect you to pay the excess to them. This is bad because although you still get discharge at 1 year you have to pay back that figure for 3 years (I think). To give you an idea, council house,1 kid, I picked up an equivalent £34k contract at month 4 and they still early discharged because I was only £55 above my monthly figure.

Before I stop this wall of text one last piece of advice, don't blatantly lie to the insolvency service and dont think bankrupt next month i'll go get a new plasma tv on credit. One of my neighbours pulled that stunt and the only investigation he is missing is a rectal exam for stashed money  :D
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« Reply #16 on: 28 June 2009, 20:57:08 »

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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt about 18 months ago, I will qualify my advice that it's based on rules then and I have no idea if anything has changed in that time.

#1 point, forget any so called 'stigma' I held on for a year past what I should have, when I did the deed the release of stress was amazing. It was singly the best thing I have ever done.

In no particular order.
Go to http://www.cccs.co.uk/ these are a registered charity so not in it for any money. Fill out the online debt remedy form (they will ask for this when you call), then call them :)
IVA's are bad, if you get the option avoid them.
Cost used to be a bit over 500 quid, (350 to go bankupt, 150 court fees), that split caught me out.
If you still have credit get the fee out cash, put it to one side, wait a couple of weeks then hit the courts, this way your fee is in the total that you go bankrupt for  ;)
£1500 for a car is about right, any thing over that they expect you to sell it and buy cheaper. Declare the car as a necessity to work, ditto with your tools. Don't worry about the council house, just make sure that they get paid in full and never go into arrears, ditto with council tax. You can in theory add them to your bankrupt total but that just gives them leaway to evict you.

When you fill out the CCCS form write down all your figures and how you calculated them, you WILL end up referring back to them. You can get away with very creative accounting so long as you don't take the piss, for example I based my petrol usage on 20mpg, taking the longest route to work and filling up at the most expensive garage.

Google is your friend here, I spent a week searching govt sites, finance forums etc etc looking at what I could claim. For example a lot of people miss that you can put in a monthly amount towards a cheap 1 week holiday. Your aim is to create a list of essential outgoings as high as possible while making it look like your minimum requirement to live.

Discharge period is 12 months, if your situation is simple it can be as little as 5 months. You dont have to remain unemployed to get early discharge, the key is that your monthly income must not exceed your declared (agreed by them) expenses by more than £50-£75, if it does they review the figures and expect you to pay the excess to them. This is bad because although you still get discharge at 1 year you have to pay back that figure for 3 years (I think). To give you an idea, council house,1 kid, I picked up an equivalent £34k contract at month 4 and they still early discharged because I was only £55 above my monthly figure.

Before I stop this wall of text one last piece of advice, don't blatantly lie to the insolvency service and dont think bankrupt next month i'll go get a new plasma tv on credit. One of my neighbours pulled that stunt and the only investigation he is missing is a rectal exam for stashed money  :D


....very, very sage words TeeBee :y :y
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« Reply #17 on: 28 June 2009, 22:25:26 »

well thanks lads ( and liz ) for all the advise and storys  :y

iv'e got too admit the business ( or whats let of it ) has been falling apart for a couple of years now  :(

anybody who has known me over the years will tell you what a bad looser i am  :-[

whether im playing a board game with my lad or footy with my mates, i've got to win and belive me i don't eat humble pie easy  :-[

if anybody has any advise or storys then please tell  :y

i would be supprised if im the only one on this forum who is in this position.

got too admit that i will sleep better tonight so thanks  :y

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« Reply #18 on: 28 June 2009, 22:38:20 »

Done a quick google....

This may help

http://www.theba.org.uk/index.php

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« Reply #19 on: 28 June 2009, 22:43:44 »

Sorry about your situation mate. Just wondering...are the bankruptcy laws different in england to that of scotland? I know someone that went bankrupt last year (in scotland) and they paid £60 and it only lasted a year.
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« Reply #20 on: 28 June 2009, 22:46:27 »

As we are giving helpful links .. this one is all the legal bit ... a tad heavy to read but it IS the framework around which the court proceedings are governed.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1351.htm

The easier stuff to read is here ...

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/ManagingDebt/CourtClaimsAndBankruptcy/DG_10023215
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« Reply #21 on: 28 June 2009, 22:58:30 »

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As we are giving helpful links .. this one is all the legal bit ... a tad heavy to read but it IS the framework around which the court proceedings are governed.

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1351.htm

The easier stuff to read is here ...

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/ManagingDebt/CourtClaimsAndBankruptcy/DG_10023215

Do you see many such cases Entwood????
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« Reply #22 on: 28 June 2009, 23:28:12 »

The court I work at is doing around 1500 cases a year ... I don't get involved directly with bankruptcy ... but you pick up bits as you help out with phone calls/filing etc etc ... if there are any direct questions I can put them to those who deal with it directly ... they are about 12 feet from me  when I'm at my desk .. !!  :)
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Re: bankrupt
« Reply #23 on: 29 June 2009, 00:02:44 »

i had a pub that went to the wall in 2006, went bust for 50 odd thou. was discharged within 6 months. was the best thing i did. the stress relief was unbeliveable. the only down side of course is the zero credit rating, but i can live with that for 6 years or so.  :)
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Re: bankrupt
« Reply #24 on: 29 June 2009, 22:22:56 »

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oh well, after 18 years being self employed and spending the last 2 years slowly watching it all fall apart, it looks like i have no choice but to sign on the dole next week and then file for bankruptcy  :'(

has anybody on here been bankrupt ?

any advise / tips greatfully accepted  :y

cheers  steve

I have just sent you a pm that may be useful for you. :y :y
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« Reply #25 on: 06 July 2009, 13:22:18 »

too all the people who offered and me advice when i had my head up my bum last week.
 a quick update on the bankruptcy  :(

now got myself a basic bank account sorted for the dreaded day  :y

spoke to my ex  ;D ;D ;D bank manager last week.
told him i was not tradeing anymore and intended to sign on the dole this week.
he wasn't happy when i explaned that i have no assets what ever and he can't take what i haven't got  :y  i must admit that the look on his face was a picture  ;D ;D

i have about £1200 outstanding which i should be getting in around the end of this month.  i have had a word with the wholesalers i use and as long as i pay them off before i go bankrupt then they will be happy to give me an account in another name ( when im discharged ) :y

all money coming in now goes in the new account and is drawn out in cash so i can pay off anybody i want to keep sweet in other words ............ wholesalers and my accountant  :y   the rest will be shown in my accounts as " living expences "  : ;D

sat down with the missus and worked out that with family tax top up's ( in her name )  and the money i won't be paying out, we should be around £ 800 a month better off  :y

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« Reply #26 on: 06 July 2009, 13:27:53 »

oh and the miggys running like a dream at the mo  :y :y

too the lads and lasses who have been where i am and offered advise ( too many to mention )
i'll pm you all when the time gets closer  :y

cheers   steve
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« Reply #27 on: 06 July 2009, 13:41:17 »

Sounding good considering your circumstances Steve.  £800 a month better off and a bit of help from the wholesalers regards future trading.

just remember matey, there is lot's of help out there, and 99% of cases companies want to help you get back on your feet as it benefits them in the future.

All the best matey and hope all works out well for you and your family.   :y
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« Reply #28 on: 06 July 2009, 17:46:20 »

Just looking at all the replies on here , never knew there was such a depth of information/wisdom on this forum , outstanding everybody!! 
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« Reply #29 on: 06 July 2009, 18:07:22 »

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Just looking at all the replies on here , never knew there was such a depth of information/wisdom on this forum , outstanding everybody!! 

This forum is amazing matey.  Such a broad range of experiance and wisdom.  Most questions I have seen have normally had some form of reply with in the hour, and the Omega Question section normally gets a reply within minutes, no matter what the time of day, there is allways some one willing to help.

So I echo the ending of your post.
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