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[Banjax]

Oil won't run out after 2030 as had been thought......
......more like 2020!

oh, and here's the kicker - after 2010 we're entering an "oil crunch" that will cripple our economy - looks like US may be invading Iran sooner than we thought 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html

[Gaffers]

Oil won't run out after 2030 as had been thought......
......more like 2020!

oh, and here's the kicker - after 2010 we're entering an "oil crunch" that will cripple our economy - looks like US may be invading Iran sooner than we thought 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html

Iran doesn't have much oil, hence it's nuclear energy requirements

[Dishevelled Den]

Oil won't run out after 2030 as had been thought......
......more like 2020!

oh, and here's the kicker - after 2010 we're entering an "oil crunch" that will cripple our economy - looks like US may be invading Iran sooner than we thought 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html

That's OK the bj - you had me worried there for a moment

[Banjax]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

[Banjax]

Oil won't run out after 2030 as had been thought......
......more like 2020!

oh, and here's the kicker - after 2010 we're entering an "oil crunch" that will cripple our economy - looks like US may be invading Iran sooner than we thought 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/warning-oil-supplies-are-running-out-fast-1766585.html

That's OK the bj - you had me worried there for a moment

i worry myself sometimes 

[Dishevelled Den]

There's always an alternative point of view.......



http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/



but this is also interesting....



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaquBOueqNM&feature=player_embedded[/media]

[Dishevelled Den]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

I hope that this isn't the warmonger coming out in you bj?

[Brick Tamland]

Load of 'dangle berries'. Here's an Irish independent article from 4 years ago about this problem. Saying that "peak oil" will be in 2011.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/scientists-warn-that-oil-will-start-to-run-out-in-four-years-time-701870.html

Same as global warming rubbish, just more media hype.

[Banjax]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

I hope that this isn't the warmonger coming out in you bj?

not at all - i just think that if you're goin to shed blood for oil - at least admit it   

besides, the US won't have a choice soon - they'll need Irans oil

[tunnie]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

I hope that this isn't the warmonger coming out in you bj?

not at all - i just think that if you're goin to shed blood for oil - at least admit it   

besides, the US won't have a choice soon - they'll need Irans oil

There is no doubt for me the Iraq war was for oil, weapons of mass destruction (which were never found) was just an excuse to get in.

We also 'bought' our way in, i remember seeing an interesting doucmentry on the behind the scenes stuff that went on.

Considering Iraq had a fairly strong Air Force, we never heard of any dog fights or air-air combat, why? They paid off the Air Force General, with a fat load of cash to keep his planes on the ground.

Saldy, the Americans won't be able to buy their way into Iran, and who ever is Prime Minister when they decide to go in, should have the balls to say "No, we are not helping you"

[Dishevelled Den]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

I hope that this isn't the warmonger coming out in you bj?

not at all - i just think that if you're goin to shed blood for oil - at least admit it   

besides, the US won't have a choice soon - they'll need Irans oil

There is no doubt for me the Iraq war was for oil, weapons of mass destruction (which were never found) was just an excuse to get in.

We also 'bought' our way in, i remember seeing an interesting doucmentry on the behind the scenes stuff that went on.

Considering Iraq had a fairly strong Air Force, we never heard of any dog fights or air-air combat, why? They paid off the Air Force General, with a fat load of cash to keep his planes on the ground.

Saldy, the Americans won't be able to buy their way into Iran, and who ever is Prime Minister when they decide to go in, should have the balls to say "No, we are not helping you"

Unilateral action by Israel may make this a moot point however - despite any entreaties by the US to the contrary :-/

[Banjax]

Load of 'dangle berries'. Here's an Irish independent article from 4 years ago about this problem. Saying that "peak oil" will be in 2011.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/scientists-warn-that-oil-will-start-to-run-out-in-four-years-time-701870.html

Same as global warming rubbish, just more media hype.

global warming may be debatable (at least the causes of it) but saying you don't think oil will run out?
it's a simple maths problem -
how much oil do we use?
how much oil do we produce?
how much oil is left?

now, lets say all the oil in the ground was available right now (roughly 1200 000 000 000 barrels)
we use, as a planet 85 000 000 barrels a day
- thats less than 40 yrs
add to that the fact that oil consumption is increasing year on year which i havent even factored in
also thats assuming all the oil left could be teleported straight to the surface!

[Dishevelled Den]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

I hope that this isn't the warmonger coming out in you bj?

not at all - i just think that if you're goin to shed blood for oil - at least admit it   

besides, the US won't have a choice soon - they'll need Irans oil

Agreed bj - it's worth that at least - concerning your potential in all things bellicose, I was led to this by the sight of your new avatar

[Brick Tamland]

Load of 'dangle berries'. Here's an Irish independent article from 4 years ago about this problem. Saying that "peak oil" will be in 2011.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/scientists-warn-that-oil-will-start-to-run-out-in-four-years-time-701870.html

Same as global warming rubbish, just more media hype.

global warming may be debatable (at least the causes of it) but saying you don't think oil will run out?
it's a simple maths problem -
how much oil do we use?
how much oil do we produce?
how much oil is left?

now, lets say all the oil in the ground was available right now (roughly 1200 000 000 000 barrels)
we use, as a planet 85 000 000 barrels a day
- thats less than 40 yrs
add to that the fact that oil consumption is increasing year on year which i havent even factored in
also thats assuming all the oil left could be teleported straight to the surface!

Of corse oil will run out but I dont think it will be for along time yet.

[Banjax]

Iran contains around 137 billion barrels, thats more than USA, Russia and China combined! only Saudi Arabia has more - I'd say they're a major player - and its the reason the US needs to take Iran.

maybe i'm being simplistic - but oil is the only concern - its why we're in Iraq, it's why we're in Afghanistan (for the pipeline) and it's why we need to be in Iran.

I hope that this isn't the warmonger coming out in you bj?

not at all - i just think that if you're goin to shed blood for oil - at least admit it   

besides, the US won't have a choice soon - they'll need Irans oil

Agreed bj - it's worth that at least - concerning your potential in all things bellicose, I was led to this by the sight of your new avatar

change is as good as a rest