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[Banjax]

where are you holding it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8222488.stm
 

[Dishevelled Den]

Green Park of course 

[Nickbat]

where are you holding it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8222488.stm
 

Don't get me started, Bannjaax!
 

[Dishevelled Den]

where are you holding it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8222488.stm
 

Don't get me started, Bannjaax!
 

...rest easy Nick, the answer has been found


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/climate-change-link-to-gingers-20070607193/

[albitz]

I think I have a few Daily Mash converts today.
I dont know how you people can seriously doubt climate change.If it was untrue it would mean that very many rich/powerful/influential people around the world had told lots of lies.Doesnt really bear scrutiny now does it ?













 

[Banjax]

I think I have a few Daily Mash converts today.
I dont know how you people can seriously doubt climate change.If it was untrue it would mean that very many rich/powerful/influential people around the world had told lots of lies.Doesnt really bear scrutiny now does it ?













 

yep - i believe all those poor/weak/downtrodden oil companies  8-)

[Nickbat]

I think I have a few Daily Mash converts today.
I dont know how you people can seriously doubt climate change.If it was untrue it would mean that very many rich/powerful/influential people around the world had told lots of lies.Doesnt really bear scrutiny now does it ?













 

yep - i believe all those poor/weak/downtrodden oil companies  8-)

That old chestnut! No, Bannjaax, you'll need to move on!

These days, the biggest companies (like GE) are pushing for legislation, because that's where the money is. Science? Forget it!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/How-GE-puts-the-government-to-work-for-GE-8154266-54820577.html

[Banjax]

I think I have a few Daily Mash converts today.
I dont know how you people can seriously doubt climate change.If it was untrue it would mean that very many rich/powerful/influential people around the world had told lots of lies.Doesnt really bear scrutiny now does it ?













 

yep - i believe all those poor/weak/downtrodden oil companies  8-)

That old chestnut! No, Bannjaax, you'll need to move on!

These days, the biggest companies (like GE) are pushing for legislation, because that's where the money is. Science? Forget it!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/How-GE-puts-the-government-to-work-for-GE-8154266-54820577.html

being environmentally aware, and scamming taxpayers out of money on some green loophole are not the same thing - anyway we're screwed either way, price of oil goes through the roof as it dries up driving the price of every thing else

the environment? who cares? i don't - and if i did (which i don't) it's either too late to change or there's no problem, either way it's pointless worrying - the oil wars of the next 2 decades will put an end to worrying over trivial matters - tbh when the virus that is humans finally dies out - i'm sure earth couldn't go on without us........oh, wait a second.....sorry, make that thrive without us 

[albitz]

If the planet is perilously close to destruction through climate change,then the politicians should have by now banned all aircraft from flying,all cars from being driven and invaded every country which isnt taking the problem seriously.

[Nickbat]

I think I have a few Daily Mash converts today.
I dont know how you people can seriously doubt climate change.If it was untrue it would mean that very many rich/powerful/influential people around the world had told lots of lies.Doesnt really bear scrutiny now does it ?













 

yep - i believe all those poor/weak/downtrodden oil companies  8-)

That old chestnut! No, Bannjaax, you'll need to move on!

These days, the biggest companies (like GE) are pushing for legislation, because that's where the money is. Science? Forget it!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/How-GE-puts-the-government-to-work-for-GE-8154266-54820577.html

being environmentally aware, and scamming taxpayers out of money on some green loophole are not the same thing - anyway we're screwed either way, price of oil goes through the roof as it dries up driving the price of every thing else

the environment? who cares? i don't - and if i did (which i don't) it's either too late to change or there's no problem, either way it's pointless worrying - the oil wars of the next 2 decades will put an end to worrying over trivial matters - tbh when the virus that is humans finally dies out - i'm sure earth couldn't go on without us........oh, wait a second.....sorry, make that thrive without us 

I don't see humanity as a virus. I guess that is why we rarely see eye-to-eye, Bannjaax. 

[Nickbat]

Please read if interested.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/08/27/climate-money-bigger-money-moves-in/

and...

http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/eco-imperialism-every-environmentalists-dream/

[Dishevelled Den]

Please read if interested.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/08/27/climate-money-bigger-money-moves-in/

and...

http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/eco-imperialism-every-environmentalists-dream/

...these two important links indicate in very clear terms that great difficulty lies ahead for those who would seek to have a more balanced and scientifically reasoned approach in dealing with this debate and to offer an alternative viewpoint.

This juggernaut will be difficult to stop, as the allure of what seems to be unlimited amounts of money being made available to those who have vested interests in seeing these measures adopted and consolidated, will be impossible to resist.

It's obvious that it must be stopped - but how?

[Nickbat]

Please read if interested.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/08/27/climate-money-bigger-money-moves-in/

and...

http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/eco-imperialism-every-environmentalists-dream/

...these two important links indicate in very clear terms that great difficulty lies ahead for those who would seek to have a more balanced and scientifically reasoned approach to dealing with this debate and to offer an alternative viewpoint.

This juggernaut will be difficult to stop, as the allure of what seems to be unlimited amounts of money being made available to those who have vested interests in seeing these measures adopted and consolidated, will be impossible to resist.

It's obvious that it must be stopped - but how?

Maybe, just maybe:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/24/us-chamber-of-commerce-wants-trial-on-global-warming-issue/

[Dishevelled Den]

Maybe, just maybe:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/08/24/us-chamber-of-commerce-wants-trial-on-global-warming-issue/

Will be an uphill struggle with a lot of big obstacles to shift but it would be nice to see something help jab a finger into the optics of some very avaricious groups.

[Nickbat]

Please read if interested.

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/08/27/climate-money-bigger-money-moves-in/

and...

http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2009/08/24/eco-imperialism-every-environmentalists-dream/

...these two important links indicate in very clear terms that great difficulty lies ahead for those who would seek to have a more balanced and scientifically reasoned approach to dealing with this debate and to offer an alternative viewpoint.

This juggernaut will be difficult to stop, as the allure of what seems to be unlimited amounts of money being made available to those who have vested interests in seeing these measures adopted and consolidated, will be impossible to resist.

It's obvious that it must be stopped - but how?

..and that is a major worry, Zulu. In practical terms all commodities have an intrinsic value, which means that when an overinflated value falls, there is a  cushion, at which the natural demand for a commodity prevents further fall. In this unique case, trading the right to emit CO2 has NO intrinisic value whatsoever. When all the major financial institutions pile into it, there will be a bubble - and that bubble will, sooner or later, burst. Because the right to emit CO2 has no value (it is, after all literally hot air), there will be no floor to cushion the blow and, quite possibly, trillions could be lost overnight. It would make the credit crunch look like a tea party.