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[Banjax]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8240689.stm

a) timings a bit odd after the prisoner release  :-/
b) are they asking the US government for any money as the IRA were largely funded from the US?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
the funding only stopped after 9/11

c) which countries do we owe money to? or are the £4bn worth of weapons we sell abroad the kind that don't kill?

d) i don't see the Irish government coughing up any dosh either 

[Dishevelled Den]

Aah bj, you're entering a very murky world here where, should you attempt to reason such things, the nett result will only be bewilderment

[albitz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8240689.stm

a) timings a bit odd after the prisoner release  :-/
b) are they asking the US government for any money as the IRA were largely funded from the US?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
the funding only stopped after 9/11

c) which countries do we owe money to? or are the £4bn worth of weapons we sell abroad the kind that don't kill?

d) i don't see the Irish government coughing up any dosh either 

The important issue here imo is that he was previously asked to do this and refused point blank.
The U.S. insisted on Libya paying a large amount of money to its citizens who had been affected by its arming of terrorists before they would have any dealings with them,and when Brown was asked to do the same he said it was "inapprpriate"
He only changed his mind today,when the sh1t hit the fan.He defies medical science by walking upright without a spine.
The point about the U.S. gov. is probably fair comment imo.
If we sell arms to terrorists rather than official government agencies then we are in the same boat as the Libyans.If it does happen I would imagine the arms go the long way round and in through the back door.
The question of the Republic of Ireland government isnt quite so straightforward imo,they have (at least since the early 70,s)had an official policy of condemning terrorism.The IRA/INLA werent the army of the Irish Republic any more than the UDA/UFF were the army of the U.K.

[Banjax]

Aah bj, you're entering a very murky world here where, should you attempt to reason such things, the nett result will only be bewilderment

it just struck me as odd when i head it on the radio earlier - why are some countries accountable and not others?

i know libya are keen to bend over backwards (and hence cut oil deals with the west) but asking them to pay up over every incident they've been involved in (or not involved in depending who you believe) seems bizarre.

[albitz]

I think its more a case of Libya having had mountains of  Semtex and willingly supplying it to anyone who wanted to blow up people in the countries they didnt like.

[Banjax]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8240689.stm

a) timings a bit odd after the prisoner release  :-/
b) are they asking the US government for any money as the IRA were largely funded from the US?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
the funding only stopped after 9/11

c) which countries do we owe money to? or are the £4bn worth of weapons we sell abroad the kind that don't kill?

d) i don't see the Irish government coughing up any dosh either 

The important issue here imo is that he was previously asked to do this and refused point blank.
The U.S. insisted on Libya paying a large amount of money to its citizens who had been affected by its arming of terrorists before they would have any dealings with them,and when Brown was asked to do the same he said it was "inapprpriate"
He only changed his mind today,when the sh1t hit the fan.He defies medical science by walking upright without a spine.
The point about the U.S. gov. is probably fair comment imo.
If we sell arms to terrorists rather than official government agencies then we are in the same boat as the Libyans.If it does happen I would imagine the arms go the long way round and in through the back door.
The question of the Republic of Ireland government isnt quite so straightforward imo,they have (at least since the early 70,s)had an official policy of condemning terrorism.The IRA/INLA werent the army of the Irish Republic any more than the UDA/UFF were the army of the U.K.

true, but they are key players in the government



i don't want to get sidetracked on the IRA and the troubles ( i grew up in Glasgow and am sadly aware of sectarianism) it was just which countries should compenstaion be given to and which countries should pay?

is saudi arabia responsible for 9/11?
does America owe Iran money for funding Iraq during their war?

[Dishevelled Den]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8240689.stm

a) timings a bit odd after the prisoner release  :-/
b) are they asking the US government for any money as the IRA were largely funded from the US?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
the funding only stopped after 9/11

c) which countries do we owe money to? or are the £4bn worth of weapons we sell abroad the kind that don't kill?

d) i don't see the Irish government coughing up any dosh either 

The important issue here imo is that he was previously asked to do this and refused point blank.
The U.S. insisted on Libya paying a large amount of money to its citizens who had been affected by its arming of terrorists before they would have any dealings with them,and when Brown was asked to do the same he said it was "inapprpriate"
He only changed his mind today,when the sh1t hit the fan.He defies medical science by walking upright without a spine.
The point about the U.S. gov. is probably fair comment imo.
If we sell arms to terrorists rather than official government agencies then we are in the same boat as the Libyans.If it does happen I would imagine the arms go the long way round and in through the back door.
The question of the Republic of Ireland government isnt quite so straightforward imo,they have (at least since the early 70,s)had an official policy of condemning terrorism.The IRA/INLA werent the army of the Irish Republic any more than the UDA/UFF were the army of the U.K.

true, but they are key players in the government



i don't want to get sidetracked on the IRA and the troubles ( i grew up in Glasgow and am sadly aware of sectarianism) it was just which countries should compenstaion be given to and which countries should pay?

is saudi arabia responsible for 9/11?
does America owe Iran money for funding Iraq during their war?

.....that wouldn't be an entirely accurate assumption bj.

[albitz]

I hear what your saying Bannjaxx and have decided that Zulu,s first posting on the subject was the right approach.





Maybe the U.N. should decide,but then half of them are crooks anyway.

[albitz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8240689.stm

a) timings a bit odd after the prisoner release  :-/
b) are they asking the US government for any money as the IRA were largely funded from the US?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
the funding only stopped after 9/11

c) which countries do we owe money to? or are the £4bn worth of weapons we sell abroad the kind that don't kill?

d) i don't see the Irish government coughing up any dosh either 

The important issue here imo is that he was previously asked to do this and refused point blank.
The U.S. insisted on Libya paying a large amount of money to its citizens who had been affected by its arming of terrorists before they would have any dealings with them,and when Brown was asked to do the same he said it was "inapprpriate"
He only changed his mind today,when the sh1t hit the fan.He defies medical science by walking upright without a spine.
The point about the U.S. gov. is probably fair comment imo.
If we sell arms to terrorists rather than official government agencies then we are in the same boat as the Libyans.If it does happen I would imagine the arms go the long way round and in through the back door.
The question of the Republic of Ireland government isnt quite so straightforward imo,they have (at least since the early 70,s)had an official policy of condemning terrorism.The IRA/INLA werent the army of the Irish Republic any more than the UDA/UFF were the army of the U.K.

true, but they are key players in the government



i don't want to get sidetracked on the IRA and the troubles ( i grew up in Glasgow and am sadly aware of sectarianism) it was just which countries should compenstaion be given to and which countries should pay?

is saudi arabia responsible for 9/11?
does America owe Iran money for funding Iraq during their war?

.....that wouldn't be an entirely accurate assumption bj.

I knew I would drag you into it eventually.

[Nickbat]

Aah bj, you're entering a very murky world here where, should you attempt to reason such things, the nett result will only be bewilderment

it just struck me as odd when i head it on the radio earlier - why are some countries accountable and not others?

i know libya are keen to bend over backwards (and hence cut oil deals with the west) but asking them to pay up over every incident they've been involved in (or not involved in depending who you believe) seems bizarre.

It's not odd at all when you think about it. If a relative is wiped out by a terrorist, there's usually no one to claim from. However, the Libyan link has been proved by payouts to relatives in the US. Although, over this side on the pond, there have been previous attempts to get the government to back claims, they were rebutted. What's made it happen this time is that the relatives see that Brown has been weakened (how much weaker can he get?) by this whole business with Libya and judged that he will be more compliant now...to save his domestic political skin.

They judged well, it would seem. 

[Dishevelled Den]

I hear what your saying Bannjaxx and have decided that Zulu,s first posting on the subject was the right approach.





Maybe the U.N. should decide,but then half of them are crooks anyway.

  say what??     I've just lost the contents of my bladder

[albitz]

Aah bj, you're entering a very murky world here where, should you attempt to reason such things, the nett result will only be bewilderment

it just struck me as odd when i head it on the radio earlier - why are some countries accountable and not others?

i know libya are keen to bend over backwards (and hence cut oil deals with the west) but asking them to pay up over every incident they've been involved in (or not involved in depending who you believe) seems bizarre.

It's not odd at all when you think about it. If a relative is wiped out by a terrorist, there's usually no one to claim from. However, the Libyan link has been proved by payouts to relatives in the US. Although, over this side on the pond, there have been previous attempts to get the government to back claims, they were rebutted. What's made it happen this time is that the relatives see that Brown has been weakened (how much weaker can he get?) by this whole business with Libya and judged that he will be more compliant now...to save his domestic political skin.

They judged well, it would seem. 

As I said earlier,how he walks upright without a spine defies science.He is completely shameless and without any principals or concept of right and wrong,he simply gets through each day by lying about the previous day...........Im going to have to have a lie down in a minute.

[Nickbat]

I hear what your saying Bannjaxx and have decided that Zulu,s first posting on the subject was the right approach.





Maybe the U.N. should decide,but then half of them are crooks anyway.

  say what??     I've just lost the contents of my bladder

Me, too! 

[albitz]

I hear what your saying Bannjaxx and have decided that Zulu,s first posting on the subject was the right approach.





Maybe the U.N. should decide,but then half of them are crooks anyway.

  say what??     I've just lost the contents of my bladder

I thought you would like that one.

[Dishevelled Den]

Aah bj, you're entering a very murky world here where, should you attempt to reason such things, the nett result will only be bewilderment

it just struck me as odd when i head it on the radio earlier - why are some countries accountable and not others?

i know libya are keen to bend over backwards (and hence cut oil deals with the west) but asking them to pay up over every incident they've been involved in (or not involved in depending who you believe) seems bizarre.

It's not odd at all when you think about it. If a relative is wiped out by a terrorist, there's usually no one to claim from. However, the Libyan link has been proved by payouts to relatives in the US. Although, over this side on the pond, there have been previous attempts to get the government to back claims, they were rebutted. What's made it happen this time is that the relatives see that Brown has been weakened (how much weaker can he get?) by this whole business with Libya and judged that he will be more compliant now...to save his domestic political skin.

They judged well, it would seem. 

...perhaps on the content of his character Nick but I hope that they're not holding their respective breath for the Foreign Office to be of any tangible assistance.