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[LJay]

Kids are still kids. They didn't start acting differently, we started treating them differently.

Yup! We stopped guiding them in the direction of common decency!

[LJay]

:-?   

send them over here, at the end they will be like soldiers

Bring back national service, we need to drill some sense into this generation!

seriously if you dont give some discipline,respect and  understanding when they are children you need to wait half a decade for them to learn .. :-/

This country has given up on all sense of respect and discipline. Our youngsters grow up rude and lazy (not a generalisation) and we are not allowed to say boo to them. I grew up with my grandparents and was taught that respect was earnt and to gain that you needed respect for yourself, this seems to be lacking these days.

Wrong Ljay. Go and spend the day in my wifes school. She will never give up.

Did say it wasn't a generalisation STMO!

'This country' is pretty general

Whatever!!

[cem_devecioglu]

:-?   

send them over here, at the end they will be like soldiers

Bring back national service, we need to drill some sense into this generation!

seriously if you dont give some discipline,respect and  understanding when they are children you need to wait half a decade for them to learn .. :-/

This country has given up on all sense of respect and discipline. Our youngsters grow up rude and lazy (not a generalisation) and we are not allowed to say boo to them. I grew up with my grandparents and was taught that respect was earnt and to gain that you needed respect for yourself, this seems to be lacking these days.

we have similiar problems here..

may sound unrelated but I believe its the by-product of economic system ("capitalist") ..

only if you have money people show you respect..

[cem_devecioglu]

Kids are still kids. They didn't start acting differently, we started treating them differently.

you think you are treating them.. but the total system around you including tvs and events treat them more than you.. :-/

[KillerWatt]

my sonis talking away here about school and said teachers cannot tell you to do something now in class, they have to ask you to do it, and if you refuse then you dont have to do it. kids were chatting in class yesterday while she was talking and when she ASKED them to be quiet, 1 said no im talking. so she just spoke louder to get heard above there voices. he said class was a total waste of time and he might just as well of stayed at home. what the break is going on here???

If any child of mine came home and told me they can do what they want in school when they feel like it (which is actually the case these days thanks to the f**king lentil munchers), I'd respond by telling my child that if they didn't do what they were asked (or rather, told) when requested to do so, then I would personally kick their ba$tard, inconsiderate, lack of respect heads in when they got home.....END OF STORY!!!!!

[Martin_1962]

My 12 year old daughter is shocked - no discipline problems at her school.

That said we are having a bullying problem at the boys school. Jack has now been given permission by us to defend himself. That will hurt the bully!

[albitz]

my sonis talking away here about school and said teachers cannot tell you to do something now in class, they have to ask you to do it, and if you refuse then you dont have to do it. kids were chatting in class yesterday while she was talking and when she ASKED them to be quiet, 1 said no im talking. so she just spoke louder to get heard above there voices. he said class was a total waste of time and he might just as well of stayed at home. what the break is going on here???

If any child of mine came home and told me they can do what they want in school when they feel like it (which is actually the case these days thanks to the f**king lentil munchers), I'd respond by telling my child that if they didn't do what they were asked (or rather, told) when requested to do so, then I would personally kick their ba$tard, inconsiderate, lack of respect heads in when they got home.....END OF STORY!!!!!

exaggerating to emphasise a point I hope KW.

[Richie London]

My 12 year old daughter is shocked - no discipline problems at her school.

That said we are having a bullying problem at the boys school. Jack has now been given permission by us to defend himself. That will hurt the bully!

if that doesnt work, do what i did. send your nephew round and frighten them to death with threats of severe violence 

[KillerWatt]

my sonis talking away here about school and said teachers cannot tell you to do something now in class, they have to ask you to do it, and if you refuse then you dont have to do it. kids were chatting in class yesterday while she was talking and when she ASKED them to be quiet, 1 said no im talking. so she just spoke louder to get heard above there voices. he said class was a total waste of time and he might just as well of stayed at home. what the break is going on here???

If any child of mine came home and told me they can do what they want in school when they feel like it (which is actually the case these days thanks to the f**king lentil munchers), I'd respond by telling my child that if they didn't do what they were asked (or rather, told) when requested to do so, then I would personally kick their ba$tard, inconsiderate, lack of respect heads in when they got home.....END OF STORY!!!!!

exaggerating to emphasise a point I hope KW.

Yes Albs, that is a gross exaggeration.

Make no mistake though, we made sure our kids knew the meaning of the word respect from day one.

Don't get me wrong, we've not brought them up to be pussies that take $hit.
We have however taught them that they will remain civil until the first punch is thrown..and once that happens then they end it as quickly as possible while observing "Marquis of Queensbury" rules (when your opponent is down, step back and wait).

Our kids ain't perfect by a long shot, but I can guarantee they have a darn site more respect than most of the "youf" of today...and every place we take them - we get praise on their behaviour when we leave.........that's enough for us to indicate we've got it right.

[albitz]

my sonis talking away here about school and said teachers cannot tell you to do something now in class, they have to ask you to do it, and if you refuse then you dont have to do it. kids were chatting in class yesterday while she was talking and when she ASKED them to be quiet, 1 said no im talking. so she just spoke louder to get heard above there voices. he said class was a total waste of time and he might just as well of stayed at home. what the break is going on here???

If any child of mine came home and told me they can do what they want in school when they feel like it (which is actually the case these days thanks to the f**king lentil munchers), I'd respond by telling my child that if they didn't do what they were asked (or rather, told) when requested to do so, then I would personally kick their ba$tard, inconsiderate, lack of respect heads in when they got home.....END OF STORY!!!!!

exaggerating to emphasise a point I hope KW.

Yes Albs, that is a gross exaggeration.

Make no mistake though, we made sure our kids knew the meaning of the word respect from day one.

Don't get me wrong, we've not brought them up to be pussies that take $hit.
We have however taught them that they will remain civil until the first punch is thrown..and once that happens then they end it as quickly as possible while observing "Marquis of Queensbury" rules (when your opponent is down, step back and wait).

Our kids ain't perfect by a long shot, but I can guarantee they have a darn site more respect than most of the "youf" of today...and every place we take them - we get praise on their behaviour when we leave.........that's enough for us to indicate we've got it right.

Yep,a good hard kick in the queensburys usually stops them.

seriously though,point taken.Kids should be brought up to respect themselves and others and when other people comment on your kids being well behaved it is usually a sign that your not going far wrong.

[KillerWatt]

seriously though,point taken.Kids should be brought up to respect themselves and others and when other people comment on your kids being well behaved it is usually a sign that your not going far wrong.

Our kids get the same upbringing we got Albs.
OK it didn't stop me from going way off the rails (and I really did deviate from the norm), but I also never forgot what I was taught by the old man (eg, don't upset old folk, give up your seat on the bus, etc).

Basic values & respect....a very rare animal these days 

[Nickbat]

my sonis talking away here about school and said teachers cannot tell you to do something now in class, they have to ask you to do it, and if you refuse then you dont have to do it. kids were chatting in class yesterday while she was talking and when she ASKED them to be quiet, 1 said no im talking. so she just spoke louder to get heard above there voices. he said class was a total waste of time and he might just as well of stayed at home. what the break is going on here???

As Steve rightly pointed out, this represents a failure on the part of the school's management. My school does not permit class disruption. Period.

Your course of action would be first to speak to your lad's headteacher. Be polite and just say that you have heard that classes are being disrupted by unruly behaviour and could he/she confirm that. If confirmation is received, ask what sanctions have been applied.

If you are not happy with the headteacher's response, write to the chairman of the governing body. If no joy then check the school's website and see what it says about delivering education. If it is failing to do so due to lax treatment of disruptive elements, it hasn't a leg stand on, since it is not fit for purpose as a school. You can then bring the situation to the attention of the LEA.

 
   

[Entwood]

Sir Dexter Hunt has the right idea .. and has turned around several "failing" schools ... 4 very simple rules that all pupils MUST obey

Rule No1: Students must follow staff instructions first time round. This is the foundation of good behaviour, making sure students do what they're told with no quibbling. Without this basic principle, which puts staff in charge, chaos ensues.

Rule No2: Students must listen both to the teacher and when other students are making contributions. Chattering at the back or dozing at the front does not enable students to get the most out of lessons.

Rule No3: Students must show respect for both other people and the classroom.

We're seeing far too much of the opposite today, whether it's a fellow student sent flying across the classroom or a desk.

From verbal abuse to graffiti on the walls, a zero tolerance approach is essential for setting a satisfactory standard.

Rule No4: Students must complete their work to the best of their ability. Regardless of individual ability every student should be expected to work their hardest. Woolly ideas about "positive reinforcement" are leading to too many schools accepting sub-standard work.

If they don't then....

Punishment No1: Students who break a rule once or twice receive a verbal warning. These rules are fair: students need to be given a chance to change their behaviour. No broken rule must be overlooked however.

Punishment No2: Students who break a rule three times are given a 40-minute detention. Three strikes and you're out. Students need to know if they break the rules there will be practical consequences.

Punishment No3: Students who break a rule four times spend the whole of the next day, including break times, in isolation. The level of poor behaviour needs to be reflected in the penalty. A bit of peace and quiet might appeal to adults but to teens the prospect of being kept away from their friends for the day is a strong deterrent.

Punishment No4: : Students who miss detention or isolation face expulsion. The first step is making sure that students are set a code of conduct. The second is ensuring that violatin g that code is penalised. The third step is making it clear that these punishments cannot be dodged. It's also hugely important that teachers do have a last resort: students need to know that a certain level of behaviour will simply not be tolerated.

Full article :

http://www.allbusiness.com/education-training/students-student-life/12771593-1.html

[Vamps]

Sir Dexter Hunt has the right idea .. and has turned around several "failing" schools ... 4 very simple rules that all pupils MUST obey

Rule No1: Students must follow staff instructions first time round. This is the foundation of good behaviour, making sure students do what they're told with no quibbling. Without this basic principle, which puts staff in charge, chaos ensues.

Rule No2: Students must listen both to the teacher and when other students are making contributions. Chattering at the back or dozing at the front does not enable students to get the most out of lessons.

Rule No3: Students must show respect for both other people and the classroom.

We're seeing far too much of the opposite today, whether it's a fellow student sent flying across the classroom or a desk.

From verbal abuse to graffiti on the walls, a zero tolerance approach is essential for setting a satisfactory standard.

Rule No4: Students must complete their work to the best of their ability. Regardless of individual ability every student should be expected to work their hardest. Woolly ideas about "positive reinforcement" are leading to too many schools accepting sub-standard work.

If they don't then....

Punishment No1: Students who break a rule once or twice receive a verbal warning. These rules are fair: students need to be given a chance to change their behaviour. No broken rule must be overlooked however.

Punishment No2: Students who break a rule three times are given a 40-minute detention. Three strikes and you're out. Students need to know if they break the rules there will be practical consequences.

Punishment No3: Students who break a rule four times spend the whole of the next day, including break times, in isolation. The level of poor behaviour needs to be reflected in the penalty. A bit of peace and quiet might appeal to adults but to teens the prospect of being kept away from their friends for the day is a strong deterrent.

Punishment No4: : Students who miss detention or isolation face expulsion. The first step is making sure that students are set a code of conduct. The second is ensuring that violatin g that code is penalised. The third step is making it clear that these punishments cannot be dodged. It's also hugely important that teachers do have a last resort: students need to know that a certain level of behaviour will simply not be tolerated.

Full article :

http://www.allbusiness.com/education-training/students-student-life/12771593-1.html

No argument from me, one of the problems is that some parents do not support school sanctions and therefore reinforce deviant behaviour.... and much more....

[Vamps]

my sonis talking away here about school and said teachers cannot tell you to do something now in class, they have to ask you to do it, and if you refuse then you dont have to do it. kids were chatting in class yesterday while she was talking and when she ASKED them to be quiet, 1 said no im talking. so she just spoke louder to get heard above there voices. he said class was a total waste of time and he might just as well of stayed at home. what the break is going on here???

Dont know what the situation in your son's school is Richie but, said chatterbox would have been TOLD to go and see the headteacher in wifey's school, and TOLD to be quiet or sit alone for the rest of the day.

It was the wife's third day back today, two exclusions already.

4 in swmbo school, 1 permanent, possibly 2.