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[Andy B]

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Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?
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The road is in the middle of nowhere ......
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.856753,56.99707&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FW8DUgMd4L_L_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.707917,-3.421941&spn=0.020262,0.055661&t=h&z=15

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I agree that you cannot defend someone who drives a bike at those speeds on a stretch of road apparently just two miles long. Obviously it was not a motorway, with a very clear run of maximum visability, no pedestrians, wild animals, and crash barriers between oncoming traffic. 

To travel that 2 mile stretch would take a minute, and then to stop in an emergency.....................!!

Do not get me wrong I am no sweet innocent angel, and I was only "road testing" the Merc to full output just the other day, but on a clear motorway - with half a mile in front, half a mile behind visable for reaction time, along with no pedestrians to take out, a crash barrier between me and on-coming traffic, no (hopefully!!) wild animals to cross my path.  Just me, the machine at my command, and the tarmac!!

However, if things go wrong I know what the outcome could be; death, and if I am clocked at those speeds I accept it will be bye bye licence at least!  

The chap with the bike was caught speeding in a stupid manner, in an inappropiate place where others could so easily get killed. So 9 months jail - end of!!

You cannot judge other crimes penalties with this one.  There are just too many factors, circumstances and outcomes involved.

[Andy B]

.....but 166 is taking the piss on a public highway IMO.

Like I said, it's a quick road, but not that quick!! It's just another fast A road.
I am surprised though that he did manage to get up to that kind of speed on the A702, his 166 must have been very brief - (even without police intervention  )

[Gaffers]

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Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?
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The road is in the middle of nowhere ......
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.856753,56.99707&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FW8DUgMd4L_L_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.707917,-3.421941&spn=0.020262,0.055661&t=h&z=15

If it was a track or closed road then fair game....

...a road, wherever the break it is is still a road and still has other vulnerable road users on it.  Are you saying because its in the middle of nowhere then noone but racing motorists should use it?

The mind boggles at people sometimes !

[albitz]

I f any of us drive/ ride above 70 mph then we cant argue about the law being broken,we are breaking the same law he did.We have already accepted that an individual can decide for themselves what they think is appropriate for the conditions/circumstances,we are simply arguing that everyone else should draw the line in the same place as we draw it.
166 is an extreme example granted,but on a long stretch of motorway at 6am on a summer morning (which this wasnt) it could be less dangerous to the public at large than 35mph past a primary school at 8.45 am on a school day.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Did he kill anyone?...........no
Did he do any damage?......no
Did he mug an old lady?...no.
Did he break into a house ?.no
Did he cause GBH?.......no
Did he murder anyone?....no

Doesn't matter what didn't happen...at 166 on a public road, the potential for death is staring you in the face.

In fact, at 166mph, a bike will cut straight through a car and remove anybody from the gene pool who happens to be in the way.

People need to be charged  for the consequences....of "what actually happened."......and not for "what might have happened."

If he had killed someone.....then that is a whole different ball game.....

Fact is ......he damaged no property......and no human life........It is a simple speeding offence....and nothing more.

Cant believe you said that.  He was lucky not to kill anyone including himself pure and simple. 

Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?

I believe in a sensible application of speed to the road/car/driver conditions.  If a hazard had presented himself he would not have been able to stop.

Give me 5 mins alone with him and no jail sentence would be required 

Two crimes.....
1......A speeding biker .....who causes ...no damage ...and no loss of life.......or trauma of any sort.
2......A...repeat offender ....who steals cars....and breaks into houses ......for the fun of it.....and leaves behind him a trail......of human misery .....and phychological damage........worry ....anxiety.....fear ....etc ...etc....

I know which I would see as the lesser crime.



 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

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Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?
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The road is in the middle of nowhere ......
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.856753,56.99707&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FW8DUgMd4L_L_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.707917,-3.421941&spn=0.020262,0.055661&t=h&z=15

But Andy I can see one junction to a residential area, two other country lane junctions, one a cross-roads, plus many residential properties lining the road from where children could emerge from, cars could exit, and pedestrians no doubt walk past!

This is no stretch of motorway!

[KillerWatt]

I am surprised though that he did manage to get up to that kind of speed on the A702, his 166 must have been very brief - (even without police intervention  )

You'll be surprised how quick certain bikes are, my 34 year old Z9 will reach 152mph from a standing start in 9.05 seconds (proven & recorded).

Granted I did throw a few grand at it, but that kind of performance is pretty much standard these days on the high end sports bikes.

[PhilRich]

There is really no need for argument on this issue. The guy got on his bike knowing he was going to speed, he had no idea what would happen during that time therefore it was a premeditated offence with no mitigating circumstances. He took a chance & was caught. He got what he deserved, it is just a pity his family has to suffer too, but that is incidental to the issue. 

[Andy B]

.....  Are you saying because its in the middle of nowhere then noone but racing motorists should use it?  ......

Not at all! But what's worse 166 in the middle of nowhere, or 60 in a 30? I'm not saying one is better/worse than the other but I can think of various places around home where it's quite easy to do double the speed limit on 30mph dual carriageways. But on the A702 at those speeds you're more likely to kill just yourself.
I agree that 166 on a public road is stupid,  but not sure it requires a custodial sentance.  :-/

[Gaffers]

Did he kill anyone?...........no
Did he do any damage?......no
Did he mug an old lady?...no.
Did he break into a house ?.no
Did he cause GBH?.......no
Did he murder anyone?....no

Doesn't matter what didn't happen...at 166 on a public road, the potential for death is staring you in the face.

In fact, at 166mph, a bike will cut straight through a car and remove anybody from the gene pool who happens to be in the way.

People need to be charged  for the consequences....of "what actually happened."......and not for "what might have happened."

If he had killed someone.....then that is a whole different ball game.....

Fact is ......he damaged no property......and no human life........It is a simple speeding offence....and nothing more.

Cant believe you said that.  He was lucky not to kill anyone including himself pure and simple. 

Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?

I believe in a sensible application of speed to the road/car/driver conditions.  If a hazard had presented himself he would not have been able to stop.

Give me 5 mins alone with him and no jail sentence would be required 

Two crimes.....
1......A speeding biker .....who causes ...no damage ...and no loss of life.......or trauma of any sort.
2......A...repeat offender ....who steals cars....and breaks into houses ......for the fun of it.....and leaves behind him a trail......of human misery .....and phychological damage........worry ....anxiety.....fear ....etc ...etc....

I know which I would see as the lesser crime.



 

Just what is your argument here?

Ok put a young child on the road lets say she was hiking with her parents and climbed over a style onto that road.  If you have never lost a close family member to someone speeding and being reckless let me tell you I would prefer to be burgled every night of my life than deal with the past 18 years that my family have! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I am surprised though that he did manage to get up to that kind of speed on the A702, his 166 must have been very brief - (even without police intervention  )

You'll be surprised how quick certain bikes are, my 34 year old Z9 will reach 152mph from a standing start in 9.05 seconds (proven & recorded).


Sounds like you own a Z1.....or Z900.....from the seventies KW....
But ......they never achieved ........those figures on the standard 82 BHP.......more like 12.5 secs.....at 108mph as standard.
Does yours ....still have the four pipes?....

Granted I did throw a few grand at it, but that kind of performance is pretty much standard these days on the high end sports bikes.

[Andy B]

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Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?
 ......

The road is in the middle of nowhere ......
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.856753,56.99707&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FW8DUgMd4L_L_w&split=0&hq=&hnear=A702,+Dolphinton,+South+Lanarkshire+EH46+7,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.707917,-3.421941&spn=0.020262,0.055661&t=h&z=15

But Andy I can see one junction to a residential area, two other country lane junctions, one a cross-roads, plus many residential properties lining the road from where children could emerge from, cars could exit, and pedestrians no doubt walk past!

This is no stretch of motorway!

Possibly further back clicky that I'm thinking of. You'd have to drive the road a few times, it's 'good' road.

[albitz]

Looks like we all accept that it is OK to ignore the 70mph limit if we choose.The question then is,what is the absolute maximum speed we should drive at on public roads without being classed as a dangerous criminal?
I f we started a poll on this question I suspect most peoples answers would coincide with the highest speed that they have driven/ridden at on the road.

[KillerWatt]

Sounds like you own a Z1.....or Z900.....from the seventies KW....
But ......they never achieved ........those figures on the standard 82 BHP.......more like 12.5 secs.....at 108mph as standard.
Does yours ....still have the four pipes?....

4 pipes???

It wears a 4-1 works Harris, Wiseco 1170 top end, 50 shot N2O with 2 stage progressive Schintz controller, JMC (Deep brace) swingarm, 38mm Mikki flats, 3 spoke mag alloys (pick them up with 2 fingers), shit loads of aluminium where the old steel crap used to be, and quite a few other mods.

I was nowhere near the fastest streetbike on the day though, that title went to a Busa that did an 8.4 in excess of 200.