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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Looks like we all accept that it is OK to ignore the 70mph limit if we choose.The question then is,what is the absolute maximum speed we should drive at on public roads without being classed as a dangerous criminal?
I f we started a poll on this question I suspect most peoples answers would coincide with the highest speed that they have driven/ridden at on the road.

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There is no definitive answer to that question Albitz...
but I would say that 166 MPH......on a deserted motorway at 5.00 A.M.............on a Sunday morning......is probably statistically safer than 25MPH...past a junior school when the kids are out.

[KillerWatt]

Looks like we all accept that it is OK to ignore the 70mph limit if we choose.The question then is,what is the absolute maximum speed we should drive at on public roads without being classed as a dangerous criminal?

If we apply the same train of thought that applies for a dangerous driving conviction, then the safest speed is what "any reasonable person" decides it is.

For me, the safest speed for any given conditions is pretty much the 85th percentile.

[Mr Skrunts]

Did he kill anyone?...........no
Did he do any damage?......no
Did he mug an old lady?...no.
Did he break into a house ?.no
Did he cause GBH?.......no
Did he murder anyone?....no

A speeding fine and a few points on his licence.....would have   been more appropriate.........
You can burgle a house .....over and over....again and still not get a custodial sentence......Crazy. :-/ :-/

See, now we have him being defended.

Justifying it by comparison wasnt my point either.

Everything mentioned was/is breaking the law.

 

This is true Skruntie............but.......the other "crimes"....that I mention.......all have a phychological effect on their victims......which can haunt them for years....(just ask anyone who has been mugged.....raped....burgled.).etc... etc
A simple speeding offence ......is just that and nothing more.......
We need to get our priorities right... :-/

What a load of 'dangle berries'

Simple (166MPH) my ARSE

[Mr Skrunts]

Quite agree,speed doesnt kill,inappropriate speed does.The speed he was doing would automatically be considered as dangerous in the eyes of the law.He probably pleaded guilty in the hope of a less severe sentence.Looks like it didnt work.

So what speed is the starting speed for some one getting killed?

[Mr Skrunts]

Live by the sword, die by the sword......

He got caught, he deserves whatever he gets and for anyone to come on here and try to justify it........!!!!

He should consider himself lucky he is still alive and hasnt killed anyone else during his stupidity.....

And dont try and tell me this was the first time he had wound his bike up that much......

 

 

At last we have someone talking sence.



The whole point of my replies is simple.

We all speed.

100mph on a motorway which is reasonablty straight and all traffic supposedly going the same way is an instant ban.

This guy put his life and others at risk on a normal 60mph road.

But got caught.

What made me laugh is how you all seemed to justify it.

[KillerWatt]

So what speed is the starting speed for some one getting killed?

I watched someone die after hitting the tarmac at 25mph one night on Chelsea Bridge, speed is simply one of MANY contributing factors.

[Andy B]

..... speed is simply one of MANY contributing factors.

And there was me thinking that ''SPEED KILLS!!!!''         

[Mr Skrunts]

I wiil conceed that if your going to do it you can expect a severe punishment in todays world.(unless your a policeman)

Still no excuse, they have to drive with in the letter of the law and it's only us other road users that give them the right of way to travel in the manner that they do.

Speeding is accepted, but must be done in a safe way if the roads and conditions allow.

If they were caught doing 166mph on the same road road and not in pursuit they , I am sure would suffer the consquences.

[Mr Skrunts]

Did he kill anyone?...........no
Did he do any damage?......no
Did he mug an old lady?...no.
Did he break into a house ?.no
Did he cause GBH?.......no
Did he murder anyone?....no

Doesn't matter what didn't happen...at 166 on a public road, the potential for death is staring you in the face.

In fact, at 166mph, a bike will cut straight through a car and remove anybody from the gene pool who happens to be in the way.

People need to be charged  for the consequences....of "what actually happened."......and not for "what might have happened."

If he had killed someone.....then that is a whole different ball game.....

Fact is ......he damaged no property......and no human life........It is a simple speeding offence....and nothing more.

Cant believe you said that.  He was lucky not to kill anyone including himself pure and simple. 

Would you be happy if it was the road outside your house where you kids go to and from school/friends/etc?

I believe in a sensible application of speed to the road/car/driver conditions.  If a hazard had presented himself he would not have been able to stop.

Give me 5 mins alone with him and no jail sentence would be required 

Optimist lives in cloud cuckoo land I reckon.

[Richie London]

 

[albitz]

Looks like we all accept that it is OK to ignore the 70mph limit if we choose.The question then is,what is the absolute maximum speed we should drive at on public roads without being classed as a dangerous criminal?
I f we started a poll on this question I suspect most peoples answers would coincide with the highest speed that they have driven/ridden at on the road.

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There is no definitive answer to that question Albitz...
but I would say that 166 MPH......on a deserted motorway at 5.00 A.M.............on a Sunday morning......is probably statistically safer than 25MPH...past a junior school when the kids are out.

Agreed. If I am on an empty motorway in good conditions I will do whatever speed I want to,and dont see anything wrong in it.If I am passing a junior school,I will be extremely careful.In fact I tend to stick very close to the limit in any built up areas,and sometimes well under it if circumstances (kids at roadside etc)suggest it is sensible to do so.
Basically ,I believe we should try hard not to put others at risk,but I wont have anyone dictate to me how much risk I am alowed to put myself at.
And I think that most of us know that in recent years all road safety efforts have been concentrated purely on the aspect of speed at the expense of all the other important areas of road safety,it hasnt made the roads any safer ,but it has got a lot of peoples backs up.
Educating people to be skilled road users will always be the answer imo.

[KillerWatt]

And there was me thinking that ''SPEED KILLS!!!!''         

Only if you cut it with rat poison.

[HolyCount]

Did he kill anyone?...........no
Did he do any damage?......no
Did he mug an old lady?...no.
Did he break into a house ?.no
Did he cause GBH?.......no
Did he murder anyone?....no

Doesn't matter what didn't happen...at 166 on a public road, the potential for death is staring you in the face.

In fact, at 166mph, a bike will cut straight through a car and remove anybody from the gene pool who happens to be in the way.

People need to be charged  for the consequences....of "what actually happened."......and not for "what might have happened."

If he had killed someone.....then that is a whole different ball game.....

Fact is ......he damaged no property......and no human life........It is a simple speeding offence....and nothing more.

So --- if I point a loaded gun at your head for a laugh, I get off scott free because I didn't actually pull the trigger, or if I fired it and missed I still get off because I didn't actually harm you ..... is thhat whhat you are advocating?

I can, however, see and, to some degree agree, with the point that you are making ( and I think is being missed) --- that other, potentially, more serious crimes have lesser punishments. Yes, the punishments meted out by the British Courts ARE totally out of step with the nature and/ or severity of the crime in mmany cases.

However, in this case, he was breaking the law (however out of place some might think that law to be) and he was creating the potential for some cataclismic mishap if things had (so easily) gone wrong.

10 mph over the limit is (although illegal) likely to happen regularly with modern inattention --- up to the ton is naughtier still --- but over a ton and a half is plain, utter stupidity.  OK he might believe (and actually be able to) he can control the bike at that speed --- but there are other road users who could so easily have popped a spoke in his wheel.

[albitz]

I wiil conceed that if your going to do it you can expect a severe punishment in todays world.(unless your a policeman)

Still no excuse, they have to drive with in the letter of the law and it's only us other road users that give them the right of way to travel in the manner that they do.

Speeding is accepted, but must be done in a safe way if the roads and conditions allow.

If they were caught doing 166mph on the same road road and not in pursuit they , I am sure would suffer the consquences.

I was referring specifically to the case a few years back,when a policeman took a new car (3.2 vectra ?) for a test drive.Iirc he was doing around 75 in a 30,95 in a 40,130 in a 60 and 160 ish in a 70.He wasnt in an emergency he was just testing the car.The judge accepted his defence that he was a highly skilled driver who was honing his skills and let him off scot free.

[HolyCount]

Looks like we all accept that it is OK to ignore the 70mph limit if we choose.The question then is,what is the absolute maximum speed we should drive at on public roads without being classed as a dangerous criminal?
I f we started a poll on this question I suspect most peoples answers would coincide with the highest speed that they have driven/ridden at on the road.

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There is no definitive answer to that question Albitz...
but I would say that 166 MPH......on a deserted motorway at 5.00 A.M.............on a Sunday morning......is probably statistically safer than 25MPH...past a junior school when the kids are out.

Agreed. If I am on an empty motorway in good conditions I will do whatever speed I want to,and dont see anything wrong in it.If I am passing a junior school,I will be extremely careful.In fact I tend to stick very close to the limit in any built up areas,and sometimes well under it if circumstances (kids at roadside etc)suggest it is sensible to do so.
Basically ,I believe we should try hard not to put others at risk,but I wont have anyone dictate to me how much risk I am alowed to put myself at.
And I think that most of us know that in recent years all road safety efforts have been concentrated purely on the aspect of speed at the expense of all the other important areas of road safety,it hasnt made the roads any safer ,but it has got a lot of peoples backs up.
Educating people to be skilled road users will always be the answer imo.

On a public highway you are always putting others at risk, even when driving within the law. You are piloting a heavy missile.

And remember -- you are not the only one on the road ( even if you are the only one you think you can see) --- "the biggest nut in a car is the one behind the wheel" and "drive as though everyone else is an idiot" serves well