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[Martin_1962]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8334774.stm

And Grayling - b****r off, find David and say here is your job back

[albitz]

A real can of worms issue I would think,probably strong opinions on both sides.
I used to take the approach that if grown adults want to take drugs its their own business.
Having witnessed very close up the effects on someone very near and very dear to me,I am now more like the people who commented on the speeding thread who had relatives maimed or killed by motorists.I think that people (drug dealers)who play russian roulette with the physical and mental health of young people should be locked in a room with me and a baseball bat.

[Martin_1962]

I dislike the tobacco legal everything else illegal and dangerous.

I have seen first hand tobacco damage and it is not nice, missing fingers and lungs removed due to cancer.

Took both of my grand fathers.

I have seen casual cannabis resin users become tobacco addicts after having a joint, he had to go to the dealers (a shop) to buy his daily fixes, cost hime a lot more and casued more problems than one resin in a pipe a week.

I have read up a lot on extasy - I have no interest in taking it - I just wanted to understand, and that is generally not dangerous.

Morphine based drugs however terrify me.

Cannabis is safer than tobacco and should NOT be class B, extasy should be B and not A.

I know nulab are thick but the opposition is now as bad - but then I do think Grayling is a prat and DC should put DD back in that job.

I am not scaremongering, going mad or anything, just as you get older and learn more you understand more. I have seen that soft drugs have proven to be less problems than some legal ones.

For the record I like alcohol but I hate getting drunk, I am allergic to hangovers.

[Martin_1962]

Demonising mild drugs and mixing them with the real dangers is very stupid and if a certain smoking herb is banned so should a certain addictive cancer casuing one.

Hard drugs and soft drugs MUST be kept seperate, better to hande dope smokers than heroin addicts.

[albitz]

Cannabis is a lethal drug Martin.Many people can take it with no apparent damage,but quite a few people suffer serious phsycosis after becoming regular users of it ,and the results are truely terrifying and heartbreaking for the loved ones who have to spend years trying to help to restore normality.Those are the lucky ones of course,because the families of the users who commit suicide because of the effects on the brain dont get the chance to try to help.
I have come to believe that the acceptance of drug culture in our society is very damaging and rather than waving the white flag,the authorities should grow a backbone and declare war on it.
Particularily those who get rich on the back of it.

[Martin_1962]

Cannabis is a lethal drug Martin.Many people can take it with no apparent damage,but quite a few people suffer serious phsycosis after becoming regular users of it ,and the results are truely terrifying and heartbreaking for the loved ones who have to spend years trying to help to restore normality.Those are the lucky ones of course,because the families of the users who commit suicide because of the effects on the brain dont get the chance to try to help.

And if it is illegal so should tobacco - at least 2 very close relatives died due to it

[Kevin Wood]

I have no opinion one way or the other personally, but it appears to be another area where the government claim to have a policy based on science, and when the science uncovers an "uncomfortable truth" (have I heard that somehere before?) it has to be gagged, because the policy is based on politics.

Kevin

[albitz]

Hard to argue against what you say. ................I suppose tobacco has been an accepted part of society  for a very long time before it was known how damaging it was,so realistically it will take longer to get rid of it.There are many vested interests from the producers themselves to the treasury who despite what the gov. may say would be in deep sh1t without the revenue from it.
I think it might be reasonable to at least ban all advertising of it,and restrict sales very stringintly to those over 21.
Most people start smoking when they are too young to know any better and by the time they are old enough they are addicted.The tobacco companies rely on getting them young.I started smoking when I was 13,started trying to stop when I was 18 but it took me until I was 40 to crack it.Its horrifically addictive.
I think the way tobacco companies are now pushing their products very hard in developing countries to gullible people who have spare cash for the first time is nothing short of evil

[Dishevelled Den]

I have no opinion one way or the other personally, but it appears to be another area where the government claim to have a policy based on science, and when the science uncovers an "uncomfortable truth" (have I heard that somehere before?) it has to be gagged, because the policy is based on politics.

Kevin

Yup, that's more like it

[threppence]

Cannabis is a lethal drug Martin.Many people can take it with no apparent damage,but quite a few people suffer serious phsycosis after becoming regular users of it ,and the results are truely terrifying and heartbreaking for the loved ones who have to spend years trying to help to restore normality.Those are the lucky ones of course,because the families of the users who commit suicide because of the effects on the brain dont get the chance to try to help.
I have come to believe that the acceptance of drug culture in our society is very damaging and rather than waving the white flag,the authorities should grow a backbone and declare war on it.
Particularily those who get rich on the back of it.

Thought we already did.War on terror and war on drugs were the two reasons for entering Afghanistan.

If the governments wanted to reduce the opium production in Afghanistan then we are ideally placed,however, this is obviously not the case as production levels have gone through the roof since occupation.

[Martin_1962]

I am surprised that the coalition forces didn't napalm the poppy fields - that would help a lot

[threppence]

I am surprised that the coalition forces didn't napalm the poppy fields - that would help a lot

That, or 1000 gallons of Glyphosate.Then again, how would the C.I.A. fund it's covert operations.

[KillerWatt]

And if it is illegal so should tobacco - at least 2 very close relatives died due to it

I take it you will be quite happy for your taxes to raise disproportionately to make up the £11 billion per annum loss in revenue if it is made illegal?

[Martin_1962]

And if it is illegal so should tobacco - at least 2 very close relatives died due to it

I take it you will be quite happy for your taxes to raise disproportionately to make up the £11 billion per annum loss in revenue if it is made illegal?

Legalise soft drugs and tax them then!

[Andy H]

When my brother was in hospital for the last time the hospital only had enough morphine for one patient so they were sharing it between him and another patient with terminal cancer.

There are legitimate uses for poppies but as usual nothing is quite as simple as it first appears......