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[Lizzie_Zoom]

This thread is becoming positively anti-semitic. No doubt that will be denied, but have a good look at your comments. Shame if the whole discussion was binned after all the trouble you've gone to.

Thanks for your concern

However what is being debated is fact, but in all debates there can be a polarisation on how those facts are interrupted.

If there was a fear on the OOF of expressing one's political feelings about all the subjects we discuss then it will be a very sad day, with democracy, freedom and liberty departing the scene.  We know how many on here rightly argue that they should be able to access free speech  

[STMO999]

This thread is becoming positively anti-semitic. No doubt that will be denied, but have a good look at your comments. Shame if the whole discussion was binned after all the trouble you've gone to.

STMO, we have too many jewish citizens and the first paragraph of our prime minister ( I hate to say this cause I dont like him) includes a sentence like that "seperate israel govt from the israel citizens.. (as you did say- and very correct) seperate the problem from a muslim-jewish conflict and behave our jewish citizens as usual..  and I advise israel citizens to change that govt as soon as possible.. because their doing much harm to their country then anything else."

and must admit the first writer I read daily is a jewish origin Turkish writer.. so problems here..

you know me, you know my opinions about religion..

so I dont see further necessity to explain..

That's fair enough Cem, but I don't see that there's really much point in continuing in the same vein. It's all been said.

[STMO999]

This thread is becoming positively anti-semitic. No doubt that will be denied, but have a good look at your comments. Shame if the whole discussion was binned after all the trouble you've gone to.

Thanks for your concern

However what is being debated is fact, but in all debates there can be a polarisation on how those facts are interrupted.

If there was a fear on the OOF of expressing one's political feelings about all the subjects we discuss then it will be a very sad day, with democracy, freedom and liberty departing the scene.  We know how many on here rightly argue that they should be able to access free speech  

 I doubt that very much, and it wasn't concern, it was disgust.

[cem_devecioglu]

This thread is becoming positively anti-semitic. No doubt that will be denied, but have a good look at your comments. Shame if the whole discussion was binned after all the trouble you've gone to.

STMO, we have too many jewish citizens and the first paragraph of our prime minister ( I hate to say this cause I dont like him) includes a sentence like that "seperate israel govt from the israel citizens.. (as you did say- and very correct) seperate the problem from a muslim-jewish conflict and behave our jewish citizens as usual..  and I advise israel citizens to change that govt as soon as possible.. because their doing much harm to their country then anything else."

and must admit the first writer I read daily is a jewish origin Turkish writer.. so problems here..

you know me, you know my opinions about religion..

so I dont see further necessity to explain..

That's fair enough Cem, but I don't see that there's really much point in continuing in the same vein. It's all been said.

yes.. all been said.. but some idiots bring two nation in the doors of war.. we cant calm down easly.. :-/

[albitz]

I was listening to a woman  who was one of the leaders of the organisation in charge of the flotilla being interviewed on Radio 4 earlier. The interviewer put it to her the Israel had informed them that they intended to have the cargo unloaded and inspected at an Israeli port, but if that was unacceptable they would agree to this happening at an Egyptian port.
She didnt deny this but stated that this would have defeated the purpose of them being there. The whole reason for the voyage was to break the blockade, and to have the ship unloaded in Egypt would have meant the mission had failed
Israel lifted the blockade and had a ceasefire a couple of years ago, but within days Hamas had started firing rockets into Israel again, so the ceasefire was cancelled and the blockade reinstated.
To call Hamas freedom fighters is beyond stupid - words fail me. They are terrorists who strongly support other terrorist groups across the globe. They are part of the network of terrorists who need to be eliminated wherever they are found.
As Jereboam said, the Palestinian terrorists have a huge network of PR representatives around the world who brainwash the gullible lefties in every country.

[cem_devecioglu]

I was listening to a woman  who was one of the leaders of the organisation in charge of the flotilla being interviewed on Radio 4 earlier. The interviewer put it to her the Israel had informed them that they intended to have the cargo unloaded and inspected at an Israeli port, but if that was unacceptable they would agree to this happening at an Egyptian port.
She didnt deny this but stated that this would have defeated the purpose of them being there. The whole reason for the voyage was to break the blockade, and to have the ship unloaded in Egypt would have meant the mission had failed
Israel lifted the blockade and had a ceasefire a couple of years ago, but within days Hamas had started firing rockets into Israel again, so the ceasefire was cancelled and the blockade reinstated.
To call Hamas freedom fighters is beyond stupid - words fail me. They are terrorists who strongly support other terrorist groups across the globe. They are part of the network of terrorists who need to be eliminated wherever they are found.
As Jereboam said, the Palestinian terrorists have a huge network of PR representatives around the world who brainwash the gullible lefties in every country.

here we go again

STMOOO..

[mantagte]

I was listening to a woman  who was one of the leaders of the organisation in charge of the flotilla being interviewed on Radio 4 earlier. The interviewer put it to her the Israel had informed them that they intended to have the cargo unloaded and inspected at an Israeli port, but if that was unacceptable they would agree to this happening at an Egyptian port.
She didnt deny this but stated that this would have defeated the purpose of them being there. The whole reason for the voyage was to break the blockade, and to have the ship unloaded in Egypt would have meant the mission had failed
Israel lifted the blockade and had a ceasefire a couple of years ago, but within days Hamas had started firing rockets into Israel again, so the ceasefire was cancelled and the blockade reinstated.
To call Hamas freedom fighters is beyond stupid - words fail me. They are terrorists who strongly support other terrorist groups across the globe. They are part of the network of terrorists who need to be eliminated wherever they are found.
As Jereboam said, the Palestinian terrorists have a huge network of PR representatives around the world who brainwash the gullible lefties in every country.

i agree fully

[albitz]

Cem - do you know much about an organisation called IHH ?
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/05/31/flotilla-sponsored-by-violent-extremist-group-that-supports-terrorist-organizations-ihh/

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/CIA_Report_on_NGOs_With_Terror_Links

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010053110393/global-terrorism/portrait-of-ihh-international-humanitaire-hilfsorganization.html

The other 5 ships boarded by the Israelis presented no problems. The sixth ship however embarked on stabbing and serious beating s soon as Israelis started boarding. It was a set up, to produce yet more propoganda for the Hamas cause.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I was listening to a woman  who was one of the leaders of the organisation in charge of the flotilla being interviewed on Radio 4 earlier. The interviewer put it to her the Israel had informed them that they intended to have the cargo unloaded and inspected at an Israeli port, but if that was unacceptable they would agree to this happening at an Egyptian port.
She didnt deny this but stated that this would have defeated the purpose of them being there. The whole reason for the voyage was to break the blockade, and to have the ship unloaded in Egypt would have meant the mission had failed
Israel lifted the blockade and had a ceasefire a couple of years ago, but within days Hamas had started firing rockets into Israel again, so the ceasefire was cancelled and the blockade reinstated.
To call Hamas freedom fighters is beyond stupid - words fail me. They are terrorists who strongly support other terrorist groups across the globe. They are part of the network of terrorists who need to be eliminated wherever they are found.
As Jereboam said, the Palestinian terrorists have a huge network of PR representatives around the world who brainwash the gullible lefties in every country.

Democratically elected ....I think you'll find. Perhaps you do not believe in democracy...

[cem_devecioglu]

Cem - do you know much about an organisation called IHH ?
http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/05/31/flotilla-sponsored-by-violent-extremist-group-that-supports-terrorist-organizations-ihh/

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/CIA_Report_on_NGOs_With_Terror_Links

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010053110393/global-terrorism/portrait-of-ihh-international-humanitaire-hilfsorganization.html

The other 5 ships boarded by the Israelis presented no problems. The sixth ship however embarked on stabbing and serious beating s soon as Israelis started boarding. It was a set up, to produce yet more propoganda for the Hamas cause.

of course I know about those..

and dont think our govt is not been criticised here..

but this doesnt justify killing civils on another nations ship on international waters or using phosphor bombs on palestinians or wiping them from their homes with tanks..

if you are a normal state and you are sure of your power you could solve -at least- this problem simply without shaming your nation..

what would happen if we also send the naval army and commandos to the region over the ships..

Israel as usual makes its decision and choose to solve the problems in blood not in peace..

[albitz]

I was listening to a woman  who was one of the leaders of the organisation in charge of the flotilla being interviewed on Radio 4 earlier. The interviewer put it to her the Israel had informed them that they intended to have the cargo unloaded and inspected at an Israeli port, but if that was unacceptable they would agree to this happening at an Egyptian port.
She didnt deny this but stated that this would have defeated the purpose of them being there. The whole reason for the voyage was to break the blockade, and to have the ship unloaded in Egypt would have meant the mission had failed
Israel lifted the blockade and had a ceasefire a couple of years ago, but within days Hamas had started firing rockets into Israel again, so the ceasefire was cancelled and the blockade reinstated.
To call Hamas freedom fighters is beyond stupid - words fail me. They are terrorists who strongly support other terrorist groups across the globe. They are part of the network of terrorists who need to be eliminated wherever they are found.
As Jereboam said, the Palestinian terrorists have a huge network of PR representatives around the world who brainwash the gullible lefties in every country.

Democratically elected ....I think you'll find. Perhaps you do not believe in democracy...

I think you will find the election was fiddled.

[cem_devecioglu]

and for the hamas,

dialectic says that a power creates its contrary..

they are the result of all those years that palestinians suffer .. 

yes, they are poor people and the only thing they have is their religion.. so its normal for them to use it as a flag..but who created them..

and a final note for that us service, they are more harmful than anything else on the world..

[Dishevelled Den]

The Jewish vote & funds are too important to politicians in the US as is the amount of money that they spend on US built armaments which is why America has never really condemned Israel for their continued acts of terrorism. Unless the US get really tough with Israel & impose heavy sanctions, they will continue to revel in victim status & act as if they have a divine right to do as they please while revelling in victim status as a result of events that took place in the 1930s & 40s.
Britain & the US created the problems of the middle east when they stole Palestine & gave it away to create the state of Israel, so this country is in part to blame.
I feel very sad for those who say that they support Israel & I speak as a Red-Sea pedestrian

Please don't feel sorry for me PF I'm quite clear headed on this matter - although I have no inclination to get into the matter at the moment as I've been ill since yesterday.

Forgive me therefore for not jumping onto to the bandwagen of this outpouring of sympathy for those involved - yet another incident, used as always, by the faceless people whose declared aim is to 'wipe Israel from the face of the map'

[cem_devecioglu]

The Jewish vote & funds are too important to politicians in the US as is the amount of money that they spend on US built armaments which is why America has never really condemned Israel for their continued acts of terrorism. Unless the US get really tough with Israel & impose heavy sanctions, they will continue to revel in victim status & act as if they have a divine right to do as they please while revelling in victim status as a result of events that took place in the 1930s & 40s.
Britain & the US created the problems of the middle east when they stole Palestine & gave it away to create the state of Israel, so this country is in part to blame.
I feel very sad for those who say that they support Israel & I speak as a Red-Sea pedestrian

Please don't feel sorry for me PF I'm quite clear headed on this matter - although I have no inclination to get into the matter at the moment as I've been ill since yesterday.
Forgive me therefore for not jumping onto to the bandwagen of this outpouring of sympathy for those involved - yet another incident, used as always, by the faceless people whose declared aim is to 'wipe Israel from the face of the map'

wish you a quick recovery Zulu

[Dishevelled Den]

The Jewish vote & funds are too important to politicians in the US as is the amount of money that they spend on US built armaments which is why America has never really condemned Israel for their continued acts of terrorism. Unless the US get really tough with Israel & impose heavy sanctions, they will continue to revel in victim status & act as if they have a divine right to do as they please while revelling in victim status as a result of events that took place in the 1930s & 40s.
Britain & the US created the problems of the middle east when they stole Palestine & gave it away to create the state of Israel, so this country is in part to blame.
I feel very sad for those who say that they support Israel & I speak as a Red-Sea pedestrian

Please don't feel sorry for me PF I'm quite clear headed on this matter - although I have no inclination to get into the matter at the moment as I've been ill since yesterday.
Forgive me therefore for not jumping onto to the bandwagen of this outpouring of sympathy for those involved - yet another incident, used as always, by the faceless people whose declared aim is to 'wipe Israel from the face of the map'

wish you a quick recovery Zulu

Thank you cem, as I type this I'm quite uncomfortable - physically speaking.

I hope this clears up soon