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[Banjax]

every neighbourhood has them, the small people who don't get worked up about poverty, homelessness, injustice, starvation, disease but jesus try and paint the lamposts the wrong colour and they'll want you hanging from them 

Cameron wants these NIMBY's to not only run schools, but now make decisions on town planning.....interesting choice that.........leave the big society (or BS for short) to be run by the people with enough money not to spend time earning it, now i don't know about you - but do you really want town planning to be based on greed, stupidity, short-sightedness and NIMBYism?

those annoying nasally tossers that campaign against ever minor slight are being given power?? crazy 

[mantahatch]

And your alternative is ?

No doubt for westminster to decide to build 10,000 houses where it puts a pin in  a map. With no thought for anyone allready living there.

Yes nimbys can be a pain, but def more power should be given to local communities to decide where and how many properties should be built surely.

I suspect BJ, living where you do you have little problem with large scale development. Where I am has had massive over development in the last 30 years, and your last government wanted us to have even more. But they would not build new schools or roads or hospitals, they would all have to cope with it.


I also agree there are far more more important thing in this world than where a few thousand houses etc. are built. But most of us cannot see beyond our own noses, hence local issues become very important. 

[TheBoy]

every neighbourhood has them, the small people who don't get worked up about poverty, homelessness, injustice, starvation, disease but jesus try and paint the lamposts the wrong colour and they'll want you hanging from them 

Cameron wants these NIMBY's to not only run schools, but now make decisions on town planning.....interesting choice that.........leave the big society (or BS for short) to be run by the people with enough money not to spend time earning it, now i don't know about you - but do you really want town planning to be based on greed, stupidity, short-sightedness and NIMBYism?

those annoying nasally tossers that campaign against ever minor slight are being given power?? crazy 

And precisely how is that different to the current system?

[Varche]

That is how it has been for years in Spain. The local council gave permission to build, extend etc. and charged about 3% of the total cost as a fee which went into the town hall coffers. Doesn't take a genius to realise that backhanders, bribes from mates would be rife.

End result, The regional government have stepped in and declared lots of houses (tens if not 100's thousands of houses) illegal and created demolition orders. meanwhile the corrupt mayors of the town halls are being prosecuted which will take years (this being Spain).

I could see the same happening in Britain.!!    

[Dishevelled Den]

every neighbourhood has them, the small people who don't get worked up about poverty, homelessness, injustice, starvation, disease but jesus try and paint the lamposts the wrong colour and they'll want you hanging from them 

Cameron wants these NIMBY's to not only run schools, but now make decisions on town planning.....interesting choice that.........leave the big society (or BS for short) to be run by the people with enough money not to spend time earning it, now i don't know about you - but do you really want town planning to be based on greed, stupidity, short-sightedness and NIMBYism?

those annoying nasally tossers that campaign against ever minor slight are being given power?? crazy 

every neighbourhood has them, the small people who don't get worked up about poverty, homelessness, injustice, starvation,

How worked up would you like them to get BJ?  Should they disregard the likelihood that such saturated development would create some of the very problems you describe?

Until a very firm hand is taken to the planning criteria for future urban development - on a country-wide basis - these and other problems, caused by the short-sightedness of social engineering (so beloved of the last Administration) and the desire for profit by the people who seek to create such oases of humanity, will blight this nation for some time to come.

[Banjax]

i think you'll get decisions based purely on selfishness, not what's better for the greater good - disastrous in my opinion. it'll be decisions taken by the sharp-elbowed middle-class busy-bodies pushing in to voice their interests and their interests alone to the detriment of all else 

[TheBoy]

i think you'll get decisions based purely on selfishness, not what's better for the greater good - disastrous in my opinion. it'll be decisions taken by the sharp-elbowed middle-class busy-bodies pushing in to voice their interests and their interests alone to the detriment of all else 

I repeat my earlier question

[mudflap]

Cameron wants us to do all the things the Council are supposed to do which we pay them for....and still pay Council-tax-on-time-or-you-will-go-to-court...

we'll be clearing snow and gritting our own streets next Feb... :-?

[cem_devecioglu]

every neighbourhood has them, the small people who don't get worked up about poverty, homelessness, injustice, starvation, disease but jesus try and paint the lamposts the wrong colour and they'll want you hanging from them 

Cameron wants these NIMBY's to not only run schools, but now make decisions on town planning.....interesting choice that.........leave the big society (or BS for short) to be run by the people with enough money not to spend time earning it, now i don't know about you - but do you really want town planning to be based on greed, stupidity, short-sightedness and NIMBYism?

those annoying nasally tossers that campaign against ever minor slight are being given power?? crazy 

unfortunately BJ those people govern not only most of the western countries also eastern countries..

[Dishevelled Den]

i think you'll get decisions based purely on selfishness, not what's better for the greater good - disastrous in my opinion. it'll be decisions taken by the sharp-elbowed middle-class busy-bodies pushing in to voice their interests and their interests alone to the detriment of all else 

Sounds like the manifesto for, and unwelcome result of, policy based on the vision of New Labour.

[TheBoy]

Cameron wants us to do all the things the Council are supposed to do which we pay them for....and still pay Council-tax-on-time-or-you-will-go-to-court...

we'll be clearing snow and gritting our own streets next Feb... :-?

Like we did earlier this year?  On the upside, it created a great community spirit around here (we have always had a good community in our road, but the snow this year widened that out to adjacent roads)

[Varche]

Cameron wants us to do all the things the Council are supposed to do which we pay them for....and still pay Council-tax-on-time-or-you-will-go-to-court...

we'll be clearing snow and gritting our own streets next Feb... :-?

Like we did earlier this year?  On the upside, it created a great community spirit around here (we have always had a good community in our road, but the snow this year widened that out to adjacent roads)

Next you will be speaking French or German.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Cameron wants us to do all the things the Council are supposed to do which we pay them for....and still pay Council-tax-on-time-or-you-will-go-to-court...

we'll be clearing snow and gritting our own streets next Feb... :-?

Planning applications are funded by the planning charge.......whic is sadly not that cheap

[Marks DTM Calib]

I should say that I quite like the ides.

Having had to recently fight a planning application in a small village where the developer  had gone out his way to 'tick the boxes' e.g. 'affordable housing', 'green areas', 'minimum occupation sizes' etc, these changes would mean that the locals would have a greater say rather than a planning forum just checking it meets the current tick box exercise of the 'local plan'

[pscocoa]

In theory the Big Society should be a progressive step given the current state of local government excess that we have now.

Banjax voices a lot of concerns which I can identify with and no doubt you will find that certain "types" will take over the concept and run it to suit themselves - this can only happen of course with apathy from everyone else.

Whether I have time or not to make more of a contribution locally is a big question as I have successfully mobilised local people to resist idiotic central government diktat in the past - gravel extraction and housebuilding. I could be accused of being a nimby in that process but that is a difficult term to apply to people in general and must be related to the scale of development that is proposed.
You have to meet with some of these local government officers to see just how inept they are and how they bring in consultants to prepare proposals for what the Council officers are employed to do in the first place. This oversight of wanton waste and inefficiency is something that certain members of the community would be able to advise on if they have time. And that is the key. If nobody experienced is around to help others with this oversight then the lay people that take it on will get hood winked by the officers just as Councillors are now in many (but not all) cases.

Where I would hope that BS should have more value is where local people are engaged in monitoring the impact of local services which are carried out by full time local authority staff and in effect take the place of all these advisors, and assorted quangos which definitely do seem to be wasteful.

This started to get debated last night on question time except Bob Crowe misunderstood a point made by a member of the audience.

If local people do not get more involved then the Council Officers will cut front line services to scare the populace.

This is not going to be an easy exercise but we should give it a go but the big issue is how lay people are trained to go about it.

If they are not then the Banjax issue comes into play.