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[Jinglemaster2]

Who is prophet Geoff?

[Mysteryman]

Who is prophet Geoff?

Prophet Geoff? The man who says what the majority think but won't say. That's him.

[Dishevelled Den]

If we all had an understanding of different faiths, and were more tolerant, it would leave less religion for the extremists to hide behind

Agreed.

Enlightenment through education and understanding is the basic tenet of tolerance towards others and their beliefs - even if those beliefs are difficult to accept and run counter to the observer’s moral quotient.

Those who possess the will and capacity to understand are often the first to be castigated and suppressed when despotic individuals wish to assume control or influence over their lives.

Only in the breeding grounds of ignorance and apathy can hatred and malevolence be nurtured and set free to blight the lives of the many.

explanation and translation please .. really I dont understand anything

Certainly cem.

If an individual is oppressed and made ignorant through radicalisation or the lack of education, then it's more likely they will fall victim to the will of those who would wish to control both them and their environment.

[Chris_H]

I would agree that having some understanding of religious texts may enable me to talk some fanatics out of extremist actions but there are a lot of them (texts) and I only have one life!

On the subject of the geezer in the USA I have two observations:

1) He is deliberately trying to provoke some other group of people and that is silly.  I confess I don't live where he is so don't understand his reasoning - there is room for a few nutters in the world so I would like to let him be.

2) I'm given to understand that he is a leader of about 50 people.  Now if they all agreed with him it's still only 50 people.  Why can't he talk his inflammatory stuff to 50 people without it being re-broadcast to 500 million (my estimate).  If he was given the cold-shoulder then none of the likely-to-be-offended parties would have ever known about this.

Stupid people.

[Mysteryman]

If we all had an understanding of different faiths, and were more tolerant, it would leave less religion for the extremists to hide behind

Agreed.

Enlightenment through education and understanding is the basic tenet of tolerance towards others and their beliefs - even if those beliefs are difficult to accept and run counter to the observer’s moral quotient.

Those who possess the will and capacity to understand are often the first to be castigated and suppressed when despotic individuals wish to assume control or influence over their lives.

Only in the breeding grounds of ignorance and apathy can hatred and malevolence be nurtured and set free to blight the lives of the many.

explanation and translation please .. really I dont understand anything

Certainly cem.

If an individual is oppressed and made ignorant through radicalisation or the lack of education, then it's more likely they will fall victim to the will of those who would wish to control both them and their environment.

Also, if an individual is educated enough to become aware that he is being oppressed, and protests, he will still fall victim to the state.

[Dishevelled Den]

Who is prophet Geoff?

Thank you, comma added.

[Mysteryman]

Just as an aside: If the media ignored this idiot, the problem would never have arisen.
I firmly believe that world war three will not be started by some rogue state with a nuclear device, but by an over-zealous reporter.

[Chris_H]

Just as an aside: If the media ignored this idiot, the problem would never have arisen.
I firmly believe that world war three will not be started by some rogue state with a nuclear device, but by an over-zealous reporter.

You backing away from that one then Steve?

[Mysteryman]

Just as an aside: If the media ignored this idiot, the problem would never have arisen.
I firmly believe that world war three will not be started by some rogue state with a nuclear device, but by an over-zealous reporter.

You backing away from that one then Steve?

Certainly not!

[cem_devecioglu]

If we all had an understanding of different faiths, and were more tolerant, it would leave less religion for the extremists to hide behind

Agreed.

Enlightenment through education and understanding is the basic tenet of tolerance towards others and their beliefs - even if those beliefs are difficult to accept and run counter to the observer’s moral quotient.

Those who possess the will and capacity to understand are often the first to be castigated and suppressed when despotic individuals wish to assume control or influence over their lives.

Only in the breeding grounds of ignorance and apathy can hatred and malevolence be nurtured and set free to blight the lives of the many.

explanation and translation please .. really I dont understand anything

Certainly cem.

If an individual is oppressed and made ignorant through radicalisation or the lack of education, then it's more likely they will fall victim to the will of those who would wish to control both them and their environment.

thanks Zulu.. I think here is nearly 35 million people who needs to visualize the meaning of this sentence..

[jerry]

methinks that ALL those of a religious persuation should be forced to read Richard Dawkins's "The God Delusion"  .Seriously though, he makes some excellent and coherent arguments there, especially against cultures such as the middle east's extreme forms of Islam and Americas bible belt where "respect" for their religions is taken overboard in an unquestioning manner. The truth is that noone is born a catholic/muslim or whatever (not in the sense that they are born male/female or of a particular skin colour), they are children that have been indoctrinated into that faith. Therefore, as with political beliefs, religious beliefs should-indeed must-be challenged. Cue Lennon's "Imagine"....(the line "and no religion too " is often doctored when/if played in the bible belt)

[Chris_H]

methinks that ALL those of a religious persuation should be forced to read Richard Dawkins's "The God Delusion"  .Seriously though, he makes some excellent and coherent arguments there, especially against cultures such as the middle east's extreme forms of Islam and Americas bible belt where "respect" for their religions is taken overboard in an unquestioning manner. The truth is that noone is born a catholic/muslim or whatever (not in the sense that they are born male/female or of a particular skin colour), they are children that have been indoctrinated into that faith. Therefore, as with political beliefs, religious beliefs should-indeed must-be challenged. Cue Lennon's "Imagine"....(the line "and no religion too " is often doctored when/if played in the bible belt)

Mr Dawkins seems more fervently religious about his so-called secularism than the majority of English people.

As for reasonable, I glimpsed him on his tele program the other night and he was going on about how humans are inherently nice to one another under all the cover!  What planet does he live on? :-/

[albitz]

I think TB hit the nail on the head. The problem here is the sensationalist press. This bloke has a congregation of 50 people, this time last week, few people outside of his own family knew who he was. Now thanks to the media who have to fill their 24 hour rolling news programmes with something, he is one of the most famous people in the world.
On the one hand I think that a section of American Muslims are trying to see how far they can push the boundaries (sound familiar ?) by building a Mosque close to ground zero - and I think they should be  stopped in their tracks, and on the other hand we have this idiot who is playing right into the hands of extremists and acting as a one man propoganda campaign and recruiting seargant for them.
Still, he has got himself his 15 minutes of fame, but I hope he can sleep at night when there is the inevitable surge in violence against U.S. forces, on the back of what he has done.

[jerry]

methinks that ALL those of a religious persuation should be forced to read Richard Dawkins's "The God Delusion"  .Seriously though, he makes some excellent and coherent arguments there, especially against cultures such as the middle east's extreme forms of Islam and Americas bible belt where "respect" for their religions is taken overboard in an unquestioning manner. The truth is that noone is born a catholic/muslim or whatever (not in the sense that they are born male/female or of a particular skin colour), they are children that have been indoctrinated into that faith. Therefore, as with political beliefs, religious beliefs should-indeed must-be challenged. Cue Lennon's "Imagine"....(the line "and no religion too " is often doctored when/if played in the bible belt)

Mr Dawkins seems more fervently religious about his so-called secularism than the majority of English people.

As for reasonable, I glimpsed him on his tele program the other night and he was going on about how humans are inherently nice to one another under all the cover!  What planet does he live on? :-/

yeh, well you (sadly)have  point there mate

[waspy]

I don't do religion of any description & i find most regilous people to be hypocrites.
They think that their religion is better than yours & you should follow their way of life.
I'm glad to be neutral, my beliefs are that we should ALL just get along, but unfortunatley we ALL don't.
We've always gone to war over beliefs & i guess (as sad as it is) we always will.

Just DON'T come knocking at my door & expecting me to conform with what you have to say, because you'll find a very unwelcome greeting.

No matter what you worship keep it to your selves & everyone would be alot happier.