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[Nickbat]

I would say yes.

Britain's biggest supermarket chains are selling halal lamb and chicken without telling unsuspecting shoppers.

Those stocking meat slaughtered according to Islamic law include Waitrose, Marks & Spencer, Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Somerfield and the Co-op.

And a Mail on Sunday investigation has found that fast-food chains including Domino’s Pizza, Pizza Hut, KFC, ­Nando’s and Subway are also using halal meat without ­telling customers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315278/Top-supermarkets-secretly-sell-halal-Sainsburys-Tesco-Waitrose-M-S-dont-tell-meat-ritually-slaughtered.html

 

[geoffr70]

I would agree with you there, I believe we do have a right to know.

It seems that many are pandering to muslims to please them, disregarding everyone else.

Besides, IMO animal slaughter according to halal methods is cruel, but no one seems to want to 'offend' muslims by making constructive criticism or disagreeing with them. The squeakiest wheel gets the most oil.

[aaronjb]

Personally I couldn't care less how it was killed or what strange words were recited over it, as long as it tastes nice and doesn't give me food poisoning.

[geoffr70]

Personally I couldn't care less how it was killed or what strange words were recited over it, as long as it tastes nice and doesn't give me food poisoning.

But surely if an animal can be killed more humanely it should be, do you not agree?

Yes animals don't have the same level of intelligence as humans (allegedly!), and their methods of communication aren't as sophisticated, but they still have instinct, they still feel pain, terror, fright and dread. They still have a life and want to live, not be butchered for an obese slob to trough in a greasy spoon.

Halal dictates animals throats are cut, then they die by bleeding to death.

[albitz]

YES!!!

[Broomies Mate]

Personally I couldn't care less how it was killed or what strange words were recited over it, as long as it tastes nice and doesn't give me food poisoning.

But surely if an animal can be killed more humanely it should be, do you not agree?

Yes animals don't have the same level of intelligence as humans (allegedly!), and their methods of communication aren't as sophisticated, but they still have instinct, they still feel pain, terror, fright and dread. They still have a life and want to live, not be butchered for an obese slob to trough in a greasy spoon.

Halal dictates animals throats are cut, then they die by bleeding to death.

I agree that the killing of the animal should be the most humane, but damn...... Humans have slaughtered animals for consumption since (before) any records, and that includes cave paintings.

Humans are top of the food chain.  We hunt, kill and eat.

A Lion doesn't worry about whether or not the Antelope is dead before it starts tearing it to pieces.  We shouldn't have any more care than the Lion.  It's only our conscience which dictates we do.  It's an animal! If it tastes good, kill the oppser and then eat it.

[geoffr70]

Personally I couldn't care less how it was killed or what strange words were recited over it, as long as it tastes nice and doesn't give me food poisoning.

But surely if an animal can be killed more humanely it should be, do you not agree?

Yes animals don't have the same level of intelligence as humans (allegedly!), and their methods of communication aren't as sophisticated, but they still have instinct, they still feel pain, terror, fright and dread. They still have a life and want to live, not be butchered for an obese slob to trough in a greasy spoon.

Halal dictates animals throats are cut, then they die by bleeding to death.

I agree that the killing of the animal should be the most humane, but damn...... Humans have slaughtered animals for consumption since (before) any records, and that includes cave paintings.

Humans are top of the food chain.  We hunt, kill and eat.

A Lion doesn't worry about whether or not the Antelope is dead before it starts tearing it to pieces.  We shouldn't have any more care than the Lion.  It's only our conscience which dictates we do.  It's an animal! If it tastes good, kill the =blanker and then eat it.

Not a very well reasoned argument there. Because it's 'always' happened, we'll just carry on, whether it's right or wrong?

Why shouldn't we care more than the lion? You seem to be suggesting that we shouldn't care if an animal is alive or not before we eat it?!?!?!

You say it's only down to our conscience what we do? What about humility and respect for other living things?

I have more time and respect for animals over some people, especially the sub human scum who seem to think it's funny to abuse animals.

What if there was a life form of greater intelligence than you, that bred you then killed you in a painful disrepectful way, butchered you, and put you in a kebab to be half eaten and thrown in the pavement by a fat useless obese slob?

I don't think you'd want that.

[Broomies Mate]

Personally I couldn't care less how it was killed or what strange words were recited over it, as long as it tastes nice and doesn't give me food poisoning.

But surely if an animal can be killed more humanely it should be, do you not agree?

Yes animals don't have the same level of intelligence as humans (allegedly!), and their methods of communication aren't as sophisticated, but they still have instinct, they still feel pain, terror, fright and dread. They still have a life and want to live, not be butchered for an obese slob to trough in a greasy spoon.

Halal dictates animals throats are cut, then they die by bleeding to death.

I agree that the killing of the animal should be the most humane, but damn...... Humans have slaughtered animals for consumption since (before) any records, and that includes cave paintings.

Humans are top of the food chain.  We hunt, kill and eat.

A Lion doesn't worry about whether or not the Antelope is dead before it starts tearing it to pieces.  We shouldn't have any more care than the Lion.  It's only our conscience which dictates we do.  It's an animal! If it tastes good, kill the =blanker and then eat it.

Not a very well reasoned argument there. Because it's 'always' happened, we'll just carry on, whether it's right or wrong?

Why shouldn't we care more than the lion? You seem to be suggesting that we shouldn't care if an animal is alive or not before we eat it?!?!?!

You say it's only down to our conscience what we do? What about humility and respect for other living things?

I have more time and respect for animals over some people, especially the sub human scum who seem to think it's funny to abuse animals.

What if there was a life form of greater intelligence than you, that bred you then killed you in a painful disrepectful way, butchered you, and put you in a kebab to be half eaten and thrown in the pavement by a fat useless obese slob?

I don't think you'd want that.

With the greatest of respect, animal abuse is a totally different subject which has no relevance to Halal butchery OR ANY butchery of meat for human consumption, especially when it is being sold by high street names.

And, if I (as a human) wasn't top of the food chain, then I'd be watching my back.  As it happens, these 'Aliens' you speak of do not exist, so I'll be fine walking down the pavement.

Anyone here of elder generation ate meat in their youth which was slaughtered in the way Halal meat is slaughtered.  It's only recent times that 'procedures' have been in place, generally to the animals detriment.  I've worked in a slaughterhouse. 

[geoffr70]

I would suggest that halal slaughter and abuse aren't different things. They are one and the same. If an animal is knowingly slaughtered in a way that isn't as reasonably humane as possible, I would call that abuse.

[Taxi_Driver]

I would say yes.

Britain's biggest supermarket chains are selling halal lamb and chicken without telling unsuspecting shoppers.

Those stocking meat slaughtered according to Islamic law include Waitrose, Marks & Spencer, Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Somerfield and the Co-op.

And a Mail on Sunday investigation has found that fast-food chains including Domino’s Pizza, Pizza Hut, KFC, ­Nando’s and Subway are also using halal meat without ­telling customers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315278/Top-supermarkets-secretly-sell-halal-Sainsburys-Tesco-Waitrose-M-S-dont-tell-meat-ritually-slaughtered.html

 

Sorry, but i disagree.
What would be the point, if they dont tell anyone!
They are not going to get any sales by Muslim shoppers, are they?
One of my neighbours is Muslim and i know he pays 'over the top' prices to buy halal meat from a Muslim shop.
The only takeaway shop he uses is Tennessee Chicken (if thats spelt right) because they advertise they use Halal chicken.

[Dishevelled Den]

But surely if an animal can be killed more humanely it should be, do you not agree?

Yes animals don't have the same level of intelligence as humans (allegedly!), and their methods of communication aren't as sophisticated, but they still have instinct, they still feel pain, terror, fright and dread. They still have a life and want to live, not be butchered for an obese slob to trough in a greasy spoon.

Halal dictates animals throats are cut, then they die by bleeding to death.

I have to agree with Geoff on this one.

[Banjax]

consumers have the power to make supermarkets label the meat accordingly, there are people who would choose meat that had been acquired humanely ie stunned first before slaughter rather than cut and bled to death, given the choice most non muslims would choose non halal......unless it cost a bit more then no one gives a monkey's 

i would spend a bit more tho, like i do with free range eggs....its a small sacrifice to ease my conscience 

it all comes down to money, if supermarkets can get way with supplying meat from one method without anyone caring, then of course they'll follow that path - if yanyone feels strongly about it, refuse to buy meat that isn't labelled - simple, Tesco's would soon have it sorted if it hurt sales 

[Dishevelled Den]

it all comes down to money, if supermarkets can get way with supplying meat from one method without anyone caring, then of course they'll follow that path - if yanyone feels strongly about it, refuse to buy meat that isn't labelled - simple, Tesco's would soon have it sorted if it hurt sales 

I think that to be an important point JB.

In this business sector success is generally measured in market share/nett profit - not ethics.

[Chris_H]

I pointed this out in a thread on here some months ago so it shouldn't be a surprise to the OP.  It has been the case for at least 10 years in my estimation.

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As it happens, Halal slaughter only requires that the animal be alive when its throat is cut so some developed countries' animal welfare organisations have agreed that stunning and killing is OK.  So that's how it's done in those countries.

You're never going to get everyone to agree about animal slaughter.  It is unpleasant to most people.

[cem_devecioglu]

halal meat means you cut the neck and draw the blood of animal..left from the ancient times  thats absolutely torture..


because in old times there were no refrigerator and they believe meat will be tainted with blood