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[aaronjb]

To me that's a bit like saying.. I don't know - that you shouldn't use a flushing toilet unless you're prepared to bail out a tank full of human effluent by hand..

[geoffr70]

To me that's a bit like saying.. I don't know - that you shouldn't use a flushing toilet unless you're prepared to bail out a tank full of human effluent by hand..

It's nothing like that at all. We're talking taking a life here. I don't know how you reasoned that out.

[aaronjb]

The life of an animal, bred for eating and no other purpose, which is going to reach one and only one end.. it's not going to live happily ever after in a field somewhere, nor is it going to bound around the forest only to be shot in the head by a hunter - it's off to the abattoir for it, whether or not I've been out there and wrestled a bear to the ground and cut out it's heart like a good hunter..

Why should I have had to have killed something in order to eat something that was going to get slaughtered anyway?

Why should I have to go to the trouble of killing something when I can just go out and buy it - that's what I do my well paid job for, after all, so that someone else can do the dirty work for me..

[geoffr70]

so you have no respect for the life or feelings of other living things then?

[aaronjb]

  I presume you're a vegan, then.. 

Does a lion have 'respect' for the gazelles feelings when it tears it's throat out?

Would it give me greater 'respect' in your eyes if I'd shot the thing in the head myself? I'm not quite sure what the logic is, there, really, other than it being some antiquated view of 'being a man'.

I've eaten everything from regular old cow to horse, snake, and I'd quite happily try dog if I was in the right country. I've watched a snake be slit from stem to stern to drain it's blood - and then drank snake penis wine, and snake blood, snake bile and snake poison. I've gutted fish, and so on.

Incidentally, anyone looking for humane (not quite sure how this can be humane, but..) slaughter of animals - I presume you never eat mussles or lobster? (Both of which should be cooked while alive, one of which has to be) Or oysters (best eaten still living)... Or do they not count in this odd hierarchy of what deserves humane slaughter and what doesn't..


Incidentally Geoff, I can see you're trying to lead me into saying that I have no respect for the lives of humans, and I don't appreciate that at all. On that basis, I think this will be the last thing I say on this particular topic.

[geoffr70]

I presume you're a vegan, then.. 

Does a lion have 'respect' for the gazelles feelings when it tears it's throat out?

Would it give me greater 'respect' in your eyes if I'd shot the thing in the head myself? I'm not quite sure what the logic is, there, really, other than it being some antiquated view of 'being a man'.

I've eaten everything from regular old cow to horse, snake, and I'd quite happily try dog if I was in the right country. I've watched a snake be slit from stem to stern to drain it's blood - and then drank snake penis wine, and snake blood, snake bile and snake poison. I've gutted fish, and so on.

Incidentally, anyone looking for humane (not quite sure how this can be humane, but..) slaughter of animals - I presume you never eat mussles or lobster? (Both of which should be cooked while alive, one of which has to be) Or oysters (best eaten still living)... Or do they not count in this odd hierarchy of what deserves humane slaughter and what doesn't..


Incidentally Geoff, I can see you're trying to lead me into saying that I have no respect for the lives of humans, and I don't appreciate that at all. On that basis, I think this will be the last thing I say on this particular topic.

I'm not trying to lead you into saying anything. Every man speaks his own mind. If you want to know something, ask the person concerned.

As for an antiquated view of being a man, it seems you're the one who needs dragging back to 2010. Trying to put out some sort of masculine image by boasting what you've seen and done. Quite juvenile, my dad's bigger than your dad.

Nor do I agree with lobsters being boiled alive as you mention. And no I haven't eaten lobster. I'd rather boil a chef alive than let him boil a live animal to death. It is irrelevant if I am a vegan or not.

By asking if a lion has respect for its prey, in an attempt to justify your argument is ludicrous. I like to think of myself as somewhat more advanced than a lion, with intelligence, compassion and many other positive qualities. You however, seem to be comparing yourself to a creature of low intelligence.

It looks like you've taken the huff, by saying you won't be responding anymore. Why are you not responding? Because you don't like what you hear. Most of the problems exist in the world for these reasons, apathy, ignorance and disinterest.

[geoffr70]

As for 'odd hierarchy' of what does and doesn't deserve humane treatment. You'll have to enlighten me as to what you mean by this.

Everything deserves humane treatment. Although I'd question the word humane after seeing some 'humans' actions.

Like I said before, I value animals over some humans due to their behaviour.

[aaronjb]

Sigh. Who was boasting? The angle of the thread seemed to be that you couldn't eat meat unless you were willing to get your hands dirty - I was pointing out that I had and that I'm not squeamish about it as seemed to be the indication ("The nation is full of softies," I believe were your words)

Anyway, arguing on the Internet is kinda stupid..

[geoffr70]

why is having a debate on the internet stupid?

Bit of a backtrack there it appears

[the alarming man]

i would be really supprised if the co-op(who i work for incidentally) sells halal meet,as the co-op is a ethical provider/shop and the killing of halal meet is hardly ethical..i know at one point they did look at it but decided against it that was a couple of years ago now..
i mean they got rid of a service provider as they where owned (at the time ) by U.T.C the guys who make the black hawk helicopter...a weapon of war is that ethical??...no


but as for original question i would say yes deffo...

[Nickbat]

There is a bit of thread-drift here. Of course, there are many different viewpoints on animal welfare, but my original post begged the question whether consumers should be told whether meat is halal or not. Then, those with views on methods of slaughter would, as BJ noted, be able to make a choice as to whether to purchase or not. In my view, it is quite wrong for supermarkets to specifically label some food as halal or kosher for certain consumers, yet supply the same meat (i.e by slaughter method) to everyone else without telling them. 

[hoofing it]

Just my 2 bob's worth does anyone give a monkeys how fish are killed,nope so whats the problem.
ive been on shoots where the deer is hung then it's throat is slit somtimes it's not been a clean shot.

[geoffr70]

Just my 2 bob's worth does anyone give a monkeys how fish are killed,nope so whats the problem.
ive been on shoots where the deer is hung then it's throat is slit somtimes it's not been a clean shot.

yes actually, they are crushed and suffocated

[Entwood]

As previously asked .. and ignored it seems ....  just why would they do this  

Halal and kosher meat costs more to "produce"; if not labelled halal or kosher the "target" for those meats would not buy it, there is no economic justification that I can see for "producing" something at a more expensive price, then selling it at the lower price.

Methinks the Mail is just trying to make up headlines ....  again

[Webby the Bear]

don't worry mate, my posts get ignored all the time hahaha

halal meat, stoning women, honour killings..... and our country bows down to these backward and barbaric people.

world's crazy!!!!!