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[jereboam]

Hmm the Jewish people I know eat whatever they want including ham & bacon, and one lad has not been done.

You obviously haven't met the right sort of Jews! 

As the "done" son of a Jewish father who enjoyed bacon and eggs for his breakfast every day for as long as I can remember, and who spent the first 28 years of his life living in North London, I can assure you that there are many people who still keep a kosher home.   

And that's not counting the ultra-Orthodox sects who dress like 17th century Easter European villagers and drive elderly Volvo estates, which are the only cars that give them enough headroom for their hats.

[cem_devecioglu]

don't worry mate, my posts get ignored all the time hahaha

halal meat, stoning women, honour killings..... and our country bows down to these backward and barbaric people.
world's crazy!!!!!

yes.. do us a favor, kill them all

seriously sometimes I feel like that

[Sixstring]

I have read all this, and was'nt going to add any comment. I feel now, that some is warranted.

My tuppence worth is:

As a man who hunts, shoots, fishes, and regularly eats what he catches/shoots I adhere to the one maxim my gunnery instructor told me many years ago.

"If you MUST kill an animal for food, you must ensure it neither suffers in any way, nor knows that its imminent death is about to happen. You should be swift, humane, and have total respect for the beautiful animal that has given up its life so that you can survive, and celebrate its death with the utmost reverence"

ANYTHING that allows an animal to slowly die, or suffer pain in any way, or even know it is about to die is barbarous, cruel, and whatever the credo or religon that requests the manner of death is morally wrong.

This is only my opinion, and feel free to criticise in any way, but I believe that we DEFINATELY should know if an animal has suffered in its death, we then have the informed CHOICE whether we buy the meat or not.

Thankyou for understanding.

[cem_devecioglu]

I have read all this, and was'nt going to add any comment. I feel now, that some is warranted.

My tuppence worth is:

As a man who hunts, shoots, fishes, and regularly eats what he catches/shoots I adhere to the one maxim my gunnery instructor told me many years ago.

"If you MUST kill an animal for food, you must ensure it neither suffers in any way, nor knows that its imminent death is about to happen. You should be swift, humane, and have total respect for the beautiful animal that has given up its life so that you can survive, and celebrate its death with the utmost reverence"

ANYTHING that allows an animal to slowly die, or suffer pain in any way, or even know it is about to die is barbarous, cruel, and whatever the credo or religon that requests the manner of death is morally wrong.

This is only my opinion, and feel free to criticise in any way, but I believe that we DEFINATELY should know if an animal has suffered in its death, we then have the informed CHOICE whether we buy the meat or not.

Thankyou for understanding.

 

[Webby the Bear]

I have read all this, and was'nt going to add any comment. I feel now, that some is warranted.

My tuppence worth is:

As a man who hunts, shoots, fishes, and regularly eats what he catches/shoots I adhere to the one maxim my gunnery instructor told me many years ago.

"If you MUST kill an animal for food, you must ensure it neither suffers in any way, nor knows that its imminent death is about to happen. You should be swift, humane, and have total respect for the beautiful animal that has given up its life so that you can survive, and celebrate its death with the utmost reverence"

ANYTHING that allows an animal to slowly die, or suffer pain in any way, or even know it is about to die is barbarous, cruel, and whatever the credo or religon that requests the manner of death is morally wrong.

This is only my opinion, and feel free to criticise in any way, but I believe that we DEFINATELY should know if an animal has suffered in its death, we then have the informed CHOICE whether we buy the meat or not.

Thankyou for understanding.

spot on son

[24_Valve]

To answer OP's question... definately yes! however given the deceitful nature of commerce & industry we're often denied any real choice other than absolute abstention. The term vegetable oil used in just about everything we consume, often means 'palm oil' the demand for which entails the destruction of rain forest & killing of many orangutans  There's nothing I can really add to thread that hasn't been addressed, so this is how I see it; totally agree with sixstring's above post & the world definately needs more people like geoffr70... nb. can't agree on every point, certainly wouldn't condone cooking the chef  but know only a handful of people that share geoffr70's depth of humanity with regard to the treatment of the animal kingdom   I can't live up to this because I do eat animal produce, but do try to stick to free range where possible.

Just a note about about 'halal' meat... the true islamic definition requires the meat to be consumed within a short period of time from slaughter (I think its 24hrs but not certain) which means that so called 'halal' meat is often 'haram' due to importation. Many muslims do not seem to question this, yet Islamic law is unequivocal about this being absolutely necessary

don't get me started on Islamic law

[Nickbat]

Oh, and it's not just The Mail making up this story.

"Twickenham and Wembley Stadiums and Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital admitted they served it without telling diners."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11375523

 

We have a right to know.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwedderburn/100054449/halal-meat-we-should-know-when-were-eating-it/ 

[24_Valve]

totally agree nickbat 100%

If the tables were turned and a halal butchers were found (hypothetically  ) to be selling non-halal produce there would be an absolute furore!!!

We all have a right to know who's hands we are putting our money in, what we have purchased & what we consume  :exclamation

[Nickbat]

totally agree nickbat 100%

If the tables were turned and a halal butchers were found (hypothetically  ) to be selling non-halal produce there would be an absolute furore!!!

We all have a right to know who's hands we are putting our money in, what we have purchased & what we consume  :exclamation

Thansk for the supporting comments, 24_valve. it is amazing that we are bombarded with labelling telling us how products are "organic" and "locally produced", yet we are kept in the dark over this.

The same must surely apply to goods manufactured in "sweat shops" by underage children.

We have a right to know. 

[24_Valve]

Yw nickbat 

The same must surely apply to goods manufactured in "sweat shops" by underage children.

Absolutely!!!

I try to catch 'dispatches' when I can... they seem to do quite a good job of exposing some of the abhorrent practises that link directly to the so called reputable high st retailers 

[24_Valve]

[size=14]geoffr70[/size] you might find this interesting...

http://cathdev.tripod.com/francis.html

It's a bit off topic so if anyone is offended by it then just remember your name isn't geoffr70 and don't start 

[Amigo]

This was all over the wireless a week or two ago. I guess folk have a right to know if it matters to them on religious or compassionate grounds. If you are religious this is yet another problem to add to war, terrorism etc. Religious folk are sometimes too easily offended, resulting in actions that put football hooliganism to shame. By the same count those protesting on compassionate grounds should turn veggie in which case most of said animals would'nt exist in the first place as there would be no point in their existence. Sometimes life is unpleasant, can't be perfect all the time & i see very little real difference in the methods of slaughter. We all watch the natural food chain on telly & what animals do to each other, shall we ban that as well? Properly killed Halal meat is done by a trained slaughter man & the job is done in seconds with as little suffering as possible as is conventional stunning but there are rogues on both sides so i think there's nothing in it realistically.
    I am an animal lover(sometimes prefer animals to people) & deplore cruelty, neglect, abuse in any shape or form so please don't condemn me as not caring but i feel this topic is best left alone. Halal meat is already being bought & eaten by unsuspecting punters so the damage is done. It would take so much regulation, invention of non jobs by those who've attended a course, watched a dvd & are now experts & of course they'll want paying for the privelege which will push the price of roasting joints, steaks, chicken breasts for curries, sausages, burgers, mince ever upward then folk will gripe about the inflated prices & the few real butcher shops we have left will close.
      Be careful what you wish for!!!!!!

[Vamps]

This was all over the wireless a week or two ago. I guess folk have a right to know if it matters to them on religious or compassionate grounds. If you are religious this is yet another problem to add to war, terrorism etc. Religious folk are sometimes too easily offended, resulting in actions that put football hooliganism to shame. By the same count those protesting on compassionate grounds should turn veggie in which case most of said animals would'nt exist in the first place as there would be no point in their existence. Sometimes life is unpleasant, can't be perfect all the time & i see very little real difference in the methods of slaughter. We all watch the natural food chain on telly & what animals do to each other, shall we ban that as well? Properly killed Halal meat is done by a trained slaughter man & the job is done in seconds with as little suffering as possible as is conventional stunning but there are rogues on both sides so i think there's nothing in it realistically.
    I am an animal lover(sometimes prefer animals to people) & deplore cruelty, neglect, abuse in any shape or form so please don't condemn me as not caring but i feel this topic is best left alone. Halal meat is already being bought & eaten by unsuspecting punters so the damage is done. It would take so much regulation, invention of non jobs by those who've attended a course, watched a dvd & are now experts & of course they'll want paying for the privelege which will push the price of roasting joints, steaks, chicken breasts for curries, sausages, burgers, mince ever upward then folk will gripe about the inflated prices & the few real butcher shops we have left will close.
      Be careful what you wish for!!!!!!

Well said Guy....   Now bring back the Bus thread, far more exciting than this drivel....
Say what you like, I wont be offended over such a thread, as with global warming.......

[24_Valve]

Amigo your views are as important as anyone elses so I'm not gonna go off topic and argue your points... just a couple of things that I couldn't help noticing...

If you are religious this is yet another problem to add to war, terrorism etc.

Very generalised view imo, never heard of a buddhist monk involved in terrorism? might be wrong though, who knows  :-/ possibly more to do with radicalisation, politics & fundamentalism 

those protesting on compassionate grounds should turn veggie in which case most of said animals would'nt exist in the first place as there would be no point in their existence

Followed by....................................

I am an animal lover (sometimes prefer animals to people) & deplore cruelty, neglect, abuse in any shape or form

There's a good reason for their existance... One day you might feel so bitter that you go off people entirely!

[Amigo]

Amigo your views are as important as anyone elses so I'm not gonna go off topic and argue your points... just a couple of things that I couldn't help noticing...

If you are religious this is yet another problem to add to war, terrorism etc.

Very generalised view imo, never heard of a buddhist monk involved in terrorism? might be wrong though, who knows  :-/ possibly more to do with radicalisation, politics & fundamentalism 

those protesting on compassionate grounds should turn veggie in which case most of said animals would'nt exist in the first place as there would be no point in their existence

I am an animal lover (sometimes prefer animals to people) & deplore cruelty, neglect, abuse in any shape or form

There's a good reason for their existance... One day you might feel so bitter that you go off people entirely!

Yes i am generalizing & no i've never gone toe to toe with a bhuddist monk but let's face it religion does cause a few upsets, no denying that. Regarding cows/sheep/pigs if we did'nt eat them as god/darwin/mother nature etc. intended there would be no herds, hence no fields then farmers who are stuggling at best. The whole country will turn into retail park clones, that's already started & the pattern continues...(sadly) Do you want to live in a clinical Milton Keynes world with no countryside? Should we ever stop farming our own meat we'd only import it & still eat it. Once again the price would go up & the quality would go down. We have to farm.
   Yes i prefer pet animals to people sometimes. We could take a leaf out of their books. They are mostly carnivores & as such exist happily on said diet. Animals don't start wars & are devoid of religion. They simply live as they're supposed to without unnecessary complications or deluded influences. I believe we should too. It's just how things are. Sadly those who cannot distinguish between idealsm & realism keep throwing a spanner in the works of what is already cast in stone & will never change...Why should it?