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[Banjax]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11762636

now before the usual braying mob start throwing rocks, ask yourself: how weak was the case against these....."terrorists".....for the governments lawyers to take one look and say "pay them-they've got a case, you dont"? 

and anyway can someone please explain why torture is used? as far as i can tell, listening to ex-military, they all say it doesnt work, victims will give you any old rubbish........i reckon the yanks are just "into" it.....freaks  :-?

[mantahatch]

Why should the UK pay compensation ? surely it was the americans that held them and allegedly tortured them.

Confused.

[Banjax]

Why should the UK pay compensation ? surely it was the americans that held them and allegedly tortured them.

Confused.

they were held on info from UK intelligence, plus we were giving the yanks questions to ask them....and we knew they were getting tortured 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Let's face it the whole Guantanamo Bay affair was, and still is, very dubious on both legal and moral grounds.

The UK and US governments both know that and want to bring the whole sorry situation to an end.  The UK 'paying off' it's part is probably far better, from a diplomatic and financial point of view, than it all being dragged through the courts!!

[Elite Pete]

They should just pay in guns and ammo, send it straight over to Pakistan/Afganistan cut the middle men out, infact why not just kill a few hundred of our own troops. This country makes me sick

[hoody]

Looking forward to the familys of the victims of the London bombings getting compensation from the people who trained them and set them on their path,or the big brave boys who chop heads off innocent people(somebody tell them torture doesnt work) paying up compensation.

Do you really believe these guys were just picked up randomly??

[aaronjb]

Looking forward to the familys of the victims of the London bombings getting compensation from the people who trained them and set them on their path,or the big brave boys who chop heads off innocent people(somebody tell them torture doesnt work) paying up compensation.

Do you really believe these guys were just picked up randomly??

Of course not, but that doesn't mean they were picked up wrongly.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Looking forward to the familys of the victims of the London bombings getting compensation from the people who trained them and set them on their path,or the big brave boys who chop heads off innocent people(somebody tell them torture doesnt work) paying up compensation.

Do you really believe these guys were just picked up randomly??

Of course not, but that doesn't mean they were picked up wrongly[/i].

Indeed, and if they were so strongly believed to have been involved in terrorist / insurgency action then why the hell were they not charged and brought before the courts?!  That is the normal accepted process in our democracy!

[albitz]

Why should the UK pay compensation ? surely it was the americans that held them and allegedly tortured them.

Confused.

they were held on info from UK intelligence, plus we were giving the yanks questions to ask them....and we knew they were getting tortured 

I presume the "we" is used as in "we the Labour govt. and its supporters"? .....glad you are prepared to take your share of your collective responsibility BJ.
The fact is that they were interned by the U.S. Govt. and were never convicted of anything, so imo if they are to be compensated by anyone it should be the U.S who gets the bill.
I could see the argument though, that Bliar (andanyone who was associated with him, including those who voted for him and his cronies) should have to chip in. After all, we all know that the vast majority of the UK electorate were against his Iragi ego trip from day one.
As forn the torture - If this was waterboarding and the like, it isnt illegal (or classified as torture) under U.S. law, and is imo a grey area wether it should be classified as torture.It isnt ripping out fingernails or chopping off limbs etc is it ?
It is my understanding that these "UK citizens " actually have rather tenuous links to the UK, and in some cases, only spent a short time living here, quite a few years ago.
I think mybe our Govt. shouldnt have rolled over so easily, but it isnt unexpected that they did.

[hoody]

not quite as straight forward,one of the men from London was held in Pakistan till the Americans took hold of him,so not an option to go through our system.

[Banjax]

Why should the UK pay compensation ? surely it was the americans that held them and allegedly tortured them.

Confused.

they were held on info from UK intelligence, plus we were giving the yanks questions to ask them....and we knew they were getting tortured 

I presume the "we" is used as in "we the Labour govt. and its supporters"? .....glad you are prepared to take your share of your collective responsibility BJ.
The fact is that they were interned by the U.S. Govt. and were never convicted of anything, so imo if they are to be compensated by anyone it should be the U.S who gets the bill.
I could see the argument though, that Bliar (andanyone who was associated with him, including those who voted for him and his cronies) should have to chip in. After all, we all know that the vast majority of the UK electorate were against his Iragi ego trip from day one.
As forn the torture - If this was waterboarding and the like, it isnt illegal (or classified as torture) under U.S. law, and is imo a grey area wether it should be classified as torture.It isnt ripping out fingernails or chopping off limbs etc is it ?
It is my understanding that these "UK citizens " actually have rather tenuous links to the UK, and in some cases, only spent a short time living here, quite a few years ago.
I think mybe our Govt. shouldnt have rolled over so easily, but it isnt unexpected that they did.

"we" as in the UK decision makers at the time, so yes the government of the day (what would the tories have done i wonder?) the issue is in all civilised countries the use of torture is abhorrent and futile, america for all its wealth and technology is not a civilised country I'm afraid, if anything it went backwards during the dubya years - guess thats what happens when you elect a fundamentalist (elect? sorry - that implies a democratic vote ) so please, innocent until proven guilty and try not to torture people whom you have no idea whether they know anything or not - this isn't negotiable Albs - go live in Iran if you wish, this is a free democratic civilised country and I'd like us to strive for those ideals 

[albitz]

Has it been proved that they were tortured, or is it an unchallenged allegation ? :-/
As I said, if it was waterboarding type of torture - it isnt actually classified as torture in U.S law, so its not by any means a straightforward, clear cut case.
Why are they going to be awarded millions. Will the survivors of the Londond bombings etc. who lost limbs be awarded many times the amount that these "victims" are going to be awarded. These people have afaik no long term physical damage.

[Banjax]

Has it been proved that they were tortured, or is it an unchallenged allegation ? :-/
As I said, if it was waterboarding type of torture - it isnt actually classified as torture in U.S law, so its not by any means a straightforward, clear cut case.
Why are they going to be awarded millions. Will the survivors of the Londond bombings etc. who lost limbs be awarded many times the amount that these "victims" are going to be awarded. These people have afaik no long term physical damage.

I'm pretty sure if I was detained with no evidence, held against my will by armed guards and regularly "water-boarded" I might be a tad unhappy and wish to perhaps enquire if there was any compensation available 

[Dishevelled Den]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11762636

now before the usual braying mob start throwing rocks, ask yourself: how weak was the case against these....."terrorists".....for the governments lawyers to take one look and say "pay them-they've got a case, you dont"? 

and anyway can someone please explain why torture is used? as far as i can tell, listening to ex-military, they all say it doesnt work, victims will give you any old rubbish........i reckon the yanks are just "into" it.....freaks  :-?

As a matter of fact robust interrogation does work - but only in certain cases.

The extrordinary measures as employed in the ways suggested here seem to have become the rule rather than the exception - which from a professional point of view is not only lazy but also short-sighted and counter productive.

Successful interrogation depends on the quality of the intelligence brief being employed more than anything.

[Banjax]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11762636

now before the usual braying mob start throwing rocks, ask yourself: how weak was the case against these....."terrorists".....for the governments lawyers to take one look and say "pay them-they've got a case, you dont"? 

and anyway can someone please explain why torture is used? as far as i can tell, listening to ex-military, they all say it doesnt work, victims will give you any old rubbish........i reckon the yanks are just "into" it.....freaks  :-?

As a matter of fact robust interrogation does work - but only in certain cases.

The extrordinary measures as employed in the ways suggested here seem to have become the rule rather than the exception - which from a professional point of view is not only lazy but also short-sighted and counter productive.

Successful interrogation depends on the quality of the intelligence brief being employed more than anything.

throw-in overweight and you have my last assessment at work before i left