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[Mysteryman]

There ARE bad (or maybe incompetent) coppers, but in my experience the vast majority are just regular fellas in some very irregular situations. People should try to imagine how they would react in similar circumstances. It cannot be easy and, God knows, you WILL be pilloried for your actions if you stray.

[tidla]

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/850240-disabled-man-was-assaulted-by-police-during-tuition-fees-protest

first link is prior altercations with officers.

second is a longer clip of the same footage.
(scroll down the page a bit)
others are seen,(as i would) hot footing it away from the scene without problem.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/98788

[TheBoy]

There ARE bad (or maybe incompetent) coppers, but in my experience the vast majority are just regular fellas in some very irregular situations. People should try to imagine how they would react in similar circumstances. It cannot be easy and, God knows, you WILL be pilloried for your actions if you stray.

Bloody Hell, have the pills run out Steve?

I agree entirely

[Turk]

Why is it taking so long to sink in?

Right, I've trimmed it down to what I think you're saying. 

I'm glad he got thrown out his wheelchair, I'd do the same. From the snippet of film it looks perfectly reasonable to.
Is that right ?  :-/

Still not getting what a 'conflict resolution model' is tho ?

[cem_devecioglu]

"Later, he was tipped from his wheelchair and dragged across the ground. And Alfie Meadows, 20, was left with bleeding on the brain after allegedly being struck by a police officer"

what happened in the video is obvious.. is that legal for police to hit someone without any tool and guns and on the wheelchair

[geoffr70]

Bloody hell how pedantic!!

If you're talking about me making a typo!! Either I missed an 'O' off the end of 'to' to turn it into a 'too', or a 'me' off the end of the sentence. I can't remember how I intended to end the sentence, but it doesn't change what I was trying to say.

You still 'think' I'm saying that; it's written down in plain English. I'm not repeating myself again.

Whatever anyone thinks of the police is irrelevant. If anyone appears to threaten the people who maintain law and order in our land, they should expect a robust response.

[cem_devecioglu]

Bloody hell how pedantic!!

If you're talking about me making a typo!! Either I missed an 'O' off the end of 'to' to turn it into a 'too', or a 'me' off the end of the sentence. I can't remember how I intended to end the sentence, but it doesn't change what I was trying to say.

You still 'think' I'm saying that; it's written down in plain English. I'm not repeating myself again.

Whatever anyone thinks of the police is irrelevant. If anyone appears to threaten the people who maintain law and order in our land, they should expect a robust response.

where did you see the threat ? did you see any guns or weapons ?

[geoffr70]

Bloody hell how pedantic!!

If you're talking about me making a typo!! Either I missed an 'O' off the end of 'to' to turn it into a 'too', or a 'me' off the end of the sentence. I can't remember how I intended to end the sentence, but it doesn't change what I was trying to say.

You still 'think' I'm saying that; it's written down in plain English. I'm not repeating myself again.

Whatever anyone thinks of the police is irrelevant. If anyone appears to threaten the people who maintain law and order in our land, they should expect a robust response.

where did you see the threat ? did you see any guns or weapons ?

I've never heard of anyone needing guns or weapons to be a threat before!

"Poor little man in his wheelchair, wouldn't/couldn't hurt a fly, abused by the police for no reason."

I think not.

[TheBoy]

The authorities should not overreact (easier said than done), but likewise, the 'mob' should respect the Police officers, and property.

In an ideal world, the Police would handle this in such a manner than nobody gets hurt, and the protesters would protest peacefully.  But its not an ideal world, we are dealing with students who live in cloud-cuckoo land, and professional troublemakers.

Looking over then protests held over this issue, how many Police officers sustaining serious injury (broken bones) V how many protesters sustaining serious injury? More Police injured than protesters. Then compare ratios of Police to Protesters - Police massively outnumbered.  How much criminal damge has been caused by teh Police? How much by the Protesters?

All with a backdrop of Student spokes(wo)men refusing to denounce violence, saying its their right to use violence as its 'unfair' they have to pay for their higher education.

[geoffr70]

The authorities should not overreact (easier said than done), but likewise, the 'mob' should respect the Police officers, and property.

In an ideal world, the Police would handle this in such a manner than nobody gets hurt, and the protesters would protest peacefully.  But its not an ideal world, we are dealing with students who live in cloud-cuckoo land, and professional troublemakers.

Looking over then protests held over this issue, how many Police officers sustaining serious injury (broken bones) V how many protesters sustaining serious injury? More Police injured than protesters. Then compare ratios of Police to Protesters - Police massively outnumbered.  How much criminal damge has been caused by teh Police? How much by the Protesters?

All with a backdrop of Student spokes(wo)men refusing to denounce violence, saying its their right to use violence as its 'unfair' they have to pay for their higher education.

Exactly.

People seem to think the police enjoy being stood out in the cold for hours, being called names that would make you sick, being spat at, abused, punched, kicked, and have all sorts of missile thrown at them. If the fire extinguisher that was thrown in an earlier protest had hit a copper, no doubt these protestors would have thought it was bloody hilarious.

Speaking generally, the police uphold the law and should be beyond reproach. But when they are subject to any bad treatment for a prolonged period of time, they will lash out just like the next person. I for one certainly don't hold it against them, they're only human. I'm not talking about wheelchair-gate, just generally.

[geoffr70]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

[cem_devecioglu]

The authorities should not overreact (easier said than done), but likewise, the 'mob' should respect the Police officers, and property.

In an ideal world, the Police would handle this in such a manner than nobody gets hurt, and the protesters would protest peacefully.  But its not an ideal world, we are dealing with students who live in cloud-cuckoo land, and professional troublemakers.

Looking over then protests held over this issue, how many Police officers sustaining serious injury (broken bones) V how many protesters sustaining serious injury? More Police injured than protesters. Then compare ratios of Police to Protesters - Police massively outnumbered. How much criminal damge has been caused by teh Police? How much by the Protesters?

All with a backdrop of Student spokes(wo)men refusing to denounce violence, saying its their right to use violence as its 'unfair' they have to pay for their higher education.

its reverse here..

[cem_devecioglu]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

dont know how is there but no reason to think UK laws are less detailed than ours.. the definition of violence/terror is very definitive and absolute here..

someone holding any means of weapon and or attacking requires the police to do the "duty" .. however despite the definitive laws and rules , as usual police even the protestors just shout and shows amblems takes the command from the chief and start to break the heads, squirts the eye popping gas etc..

please scroll the page and watch the video

http://www.memurlar.net/haber/182842/

[Turk]

Bloody hell how pedantic!!

If you're talking about me making a typo!! Either I missed an 'O' off the end of 'to' to turn it into a 'too', or a 'me' off the end of the sentence. I can't remember how I intended to end the sentence, but it doesn't change what I was trying to say.

You still 'think' I'm saying that; it's written down in plain English. I'm not repeating myself again.

Whatever anyone thinks of the police is irrelevant. If anyone appears to threaten the people who maintain law and order in our land, they should expect a robust response.

I take it that my interpretation is correct then ? 
You are correct, what you wrote doesn't change what you ment to say, but it certainly affects how others interpret it. (or fail to  ).

Quite agreed on a 'robust response', but you have to admit that the officer has done the force no favours at all.

[geoffr70]

Your suggested definition of violence is very minimal to say the least. Why do you need a weapon to offer violence? You don't, you just need yourself.

More to the point CEM AND TURK:

1. Do you condemn or support the violence perpetrated by these people against the police?

2. Do you support or condemn the acts of criminal damage carried out by these people?