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[geoffr70]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

We are discussing the actions of a police officer who ran past another officer, already calmly aproaching the issue, in order to tip a disabled person from their wheelchair.
Let's to stick to the topic folks. It's all too easy for a thread to go off on a totally different subject 

All the 'other topics' mentioned should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Acting like a 'uniformed thug' is not going to help.

My comment is in no way off topic, how clear can i make it?

:-/ Other than the 'My comment is in no way off topic' you have no comment quoted above. 

I thought i made myself quite clear but if you insist....I'm sick to death of paying the police (not thier fault) to deal with a bunch of ungrateful miscreants who should be studying or attending lectures but instead in thier misguided beliefs keep our police from catching paedophiles, rapists & the like.
    What matters most to you?

Yeah, and where do the students think the money is coming from? Trees?

[cem_devecioglu]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

We are discussing the actions of a police officer who ran past another officer, already calmly aproaching the issue, in order to tip a disabled person from their wheelchair.
Let's to stick to the topic folks. It's all too easy for a thread to go off on a totally different subject 

All the 'other topics' mentioned should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Acting like a 'uniformed thug' is not going to help.

yep.. one thing is definite, you cant solve the problems in community  by breaking heads, the people is there because they have one problem..
you are there to keep the law and order, not for the reason to break it..

Well then tell the rioting students that! They have committed all these acts of violence and criminal damage.

Do you think if the police asked the protestors nicely: "Please don't do that?" they would stop? I don't think so.

It seems you think it's ok for the students and protestors to kick off, but not ok for the police to emply reasonable measures to control them.

please ask the question why in the first place the students prefer that way.. just for a daily fight with police to see some blood and broken bones..

would you fight with someone without any reason ?

second , police with all that power never asks for anything, they just do what is ordered ..(sometimes more than ordered )

anyway , for people if that picture seems normal , than we do have more problems than we can estimate..

[albitz]

A report I heard today stated that the bloke is by no means confined to a wheel chair.He can walk but gets tired after walking any great distance, so the image of "the cripple" being slung out of his chair is apparently not quiete as straightforward as that - big surprise
I think he is a professional agitator, who has possibly used his situation to lay a trap for the police - wind them up to breaking point and then scream blue murder when the trap is sprung.
Cem - these "students" gathered in large numbers (many thousands) and embarked on a prolonged violent attack on the police - throwing rocks, wooden poles, crowd barriers, and anything else they could lay their hands on, and caused very serious damage to many buildings and monuments - many of which are of important historical interest to the nation.
I have no doubt that many of them are veggie,animal rights protesting tree huggers, yet they were throwing missiles at horses which happened to have a police officer sat halfway along their backs - then the police reacted. If the police hadnt acted to try to contain the mindless violence, the centre of London would have resembled a war zone by the time these morons had finished with it.
And if Dave Gilmours adopted son was anything to go by, imo their actions were enhanced by the use of certain chemical substances.
There is no excuse imo for what they did,and they should be made to pay for it.
We dont see these "class warriors" having mass protests about the plight of homeless people sleeping in sub zero temperatures in London this winter do we ? No, this ( for those who actually were students) was about money - and how they dont want to part with it. 

[geoffr70]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

We are discussing the actions of a police officer who ran past another officer, already calmly aproaching the issue, in order to tip a disabled person from their wheelchair.
Let's to stick to the topic folks. It's all too easy for a thread to go off on a totally different subject 

All the 'other topics' mentioned should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Acting like a 'uniformed thug' is not going to help.

yep.. one thing is definite, you cant solve the problems in community  by breaking heads, the people is there because they have one problem..
you are there to keep the law and order, not for the reason to break it..

Well then tell the rioting students that! They have committed all these acts of violence and criminal damage.

Do you think if the police asked the protestors nicely: "Please don't do that?" they would stop? I don't think so.

It seems you think it's ok for the students and protestors to kick off, but not ok for the police to emply reasonable measures to control them.

please ask the question why in the first place the students prefer that way.. just for a daily fight with police to see some blood and broken bones..

would you fight with someone without any reason ?

second , police with all that power never asks for anything, they just do what is ordered ..(sometimes more than ordered )

anyway , for people if that picture seems normal , than we do have more problems than we can estimate..

So then CEM from these comments it seems you think the protestors violent acts are justified, so you are as bad as they are.

[geoffr70]

Exactly Albs! 

They don't want to part with their money. But there is a cost to everything, and if you want something you pay for it. Just like they should pay and be punished for the damage and injuries they have caused. 

[albitz]

We dont know how the footage has been edited and portrayed in other countries. Many of us in this country had the benefit of watching it live, as it happened on our TV screens.

[cem_devecioglu]

A report I heard today stated that the bloke is by no means confined to a wheel chair.He can walk but gets tired after walking any great distance, so the image of "the cripple" being slung out of his chair is apparently not quiete as straightforward as that - big surprise

not a surprise , remember the force who drives the media

I think he is a professional agitator, who has possibly used his situation to lay a trap for the police - wind them up to breaking point and then scream blue murder when the trap is sprung.


Cem - these "students" gathered in large numbers (many thousands) and embarked on a prolonged violent attack on the police - throwing rocks, wooden poles, crowd barriers, and anything else they could lay their hands on, and caused very serious damage to many buildings and monuments - many of which are of important historical interest to the nation.

remember, action and reaction..fact!

once they were beaten , arrested, sprayed because they defend their rights (right or wrong) what you expect from them .. communities cant be governed by "I did it and I will.. "


I have no doubt that many of them are veggie,animal rights protesting tree huggers, yet they were throwing missiles at horses which happened to have a police officer sat halfway along their backs - then the police reacted. If the police hadnt acted to try to contain the mindless violence, the centre of London would have resembled a war zone by the time these morons had finished with it.
And if Dave Gilmours adopted son was anything to go by, imo their actions were enhanced by the use of certain chemical substances.
There is no excuse imo for what they did,and they should be made to pay for it.
We dont see these "class warriors" having mass protests about the plight of homeless people sleeping in sub zero temperatures in London this winter do we ? No, this ( for those who actually were students) was about money -

most important and vital subject , with that you play with their future!

and how they dont want to part with it. 

[cem_devecioglu]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

We are discussing the actions of a police officer who ran past another officer, already calmly aproaching the issue, in order to tip a disabled person from their wheelchair.
Let's to stick to the topic folks. It's all too easy for a thread to go off on a totally different subject 

All the 'other topics' mentioned should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Acting like a 'uniformed thug' is not going to help.

yep.. one thing is definite, you cant solve the problems in community  by breaking heads, the people is there because they have one problem..
you are there to keep the law and order, not for the reason to break it..

Well then tell the rioting students that! They have committed all these acts of violence and criminal damage.

Do you think if the police asked the protestors nicely: "Please don't do that?" they would stop? I don't think so.

It seems you think it's ok for the students and protestors to kick off, but not ok for the police to emply reasonable measures to control them.

please ask the question why in the first place the students prefer that way.. just for a daily fight with police to see some blood and broken bones..

would you fight with someone without any reason ?

second , police with all that power never asks for anything, they just do what is ordered ..(sometimes more than ordered )

anyway , for people if that picture seems normal , than we do have more problems than we can estimate..

So then CEM from these comments it seems you think the protestors violent acts are justified, so you are as bad as they are.

from all that I wrote,you concluded like that 

if you let them shout and walk freely what will happen ?  but if you stop them, result will be  as expected..

[albitz]

They werent arrested until long after they had commited the crimes. They werent at any point sprayed with anything afaik.

Cem, your a really nice bloke and very highly thought of in these parts, but you seem determined to find a conspiracy in any situation, and wont let facts get in the way of the train of thought you have already decided to take.
Very typical of left wing thinking tbh.

[cem_devecioglu]

Exactly Albs! 

They don't want to part with their money. But there is a cost to everything, and if you want something you pay for it.

health and education are special subjects ,

if you dont have money would you prefer hospitals let you die  ?

Just like they should pay and be punished for the damage and injuries they have caused. 

[cem_devecioglu]

They werent arrested until long after they had commited the crimes. They werent at any point sprayed with anything afaik.

Cem, your a really nice bloke and very highly thought of in these parts, but you seem determined to find a conspiracy in any situation,

Albs, with all this crowd of human kind , some lucky few! always managed to win  and I dont believe thats by chance




and wont let facts get in the way of the train of thought you have already decided to take.
Very typical of left wing thinking tbh.

[geoffr70]

I can only conclude you are very naive then CEM. If you think that if left to their own devices they wouldn't behave the way they have been, well then you're wrong.

They had the intention for disorder in the first place. The fact that the police are there trying to stop them doesn't create the intention in their heads.

As for your insinuation that the government control the media! I don't think so! Not in Britain!

[albitz]

Cem - the policy is that they pay nothing while at university, but after they have finished, and start to earn above a reasonable level they start to pay something back.
Personally I think the policy is very flawed in several ways, but thats not the point. These people state that they want to bring down the government. Many of them are simply anarchists, nothing more nothing less.

The British media is notoriously left wing.

[geoffr70]

Exactly Albs! 

They don't want to part with their money. But there is a cost to everything, and if you want something you pay for it.

health and education are special subjects ,

if you dont have money would you prefer hospitals let you die  ?

Just like they should pay and be punished for the damage and injuries they have caused. 

Like I said, there is a cost to everything. We do pay for our healthcare thankyou very much, and our education.

[Turk]

Can Turk and CEM enlighten us as to their opinions on the police sustaining injuries, the criminal damage being caused and whether or not they support or condemn any of the violence in these protests? Also, what would you have done to a protestor who defaces or disrespects a war monument in anyway?

We are discussing the actions of a police officer who ran past another officer, already calmly aproaching the issue, in order to tip a disabled person from their wheelchair.
Let's to stick to the topic folks. It's all too easy for a thread to go off on a totally different subject 

All the 'other topics' mentioned should be dealt with to the full extent of the law. Acting like a 'uniformed thug' is not going to help.

My comment is in no way off topic, how clear can i make it?

:-/ Other than the 'My comment is in no way off topic' you have no comment quoted above. 

I thought i made myself quite clear but if you insist....I'm sick to death of paying the police (not thier fault) to deal with a bunch of ungrateful miscreants who should be studying or attending lectures but instead in thier misguided beliefs keep our police from catching paedophiles, rapists & the like.
    What matters most to you?

Ah right, that comment.  No use asking 'How clear can I make it ?' when you've not 'quoted' the comment in question. 

Yep, that's a fair e'nuff. Somehow I don't think a survey would reveal too many tax payers that were happy about footing that bill, or it's effect on other issues.