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[Lizzie_Zoom]

yer know something..saying its gods work and so on that someone dies as a result of somebodies actions if thats supposed to be christian(i dont know what faith you follow lz)but it tallies up with these foreign friends of ours that think its normal to strap bombs to your chest and set them off in a busy public place...religion has so much to answer for

Sorry H, but you are well wide of what I am actually saying throughout my postings.

[tidla]

without some control (speed limits in this case) there is no free will.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/victims/default.stm

without free will , and a belief in "fate", non of the said victims would have bothered to get up that very morning.

[sassanach]

good grief,i never thought i would see the day when i would agree with lizzie zoom

[Amigo]

No. . . speeding is for people making up for the loss in their pants. . 

350 Elsie???

[Lizzie_Zoom]

good grief,i never thought i would see the day when i would agree with lizzie zoom

We should do it more often!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

without some control (speed limits in this case) there is no free will.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/victims/default.stm

without free will , and a belief in "fate", non of the said victims would have bothered to get up that very morning.

Indeed, and they did not expect to die, but just have another day safely in their offices being back at home that evening!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Lizzie

Are you suggesting that (for example) the death of a cyclist is down to "unwritten laws" and the hand of fate, and nothing to do with the deliberate actions of some body driving too fast?

Kevin (not Ken )

Yes!   Fate put the cyclist there, it made that person be at that particular place, at that time, on that date, just as the car was fated to be on the same spot, with the rest of the  road perhaps clear, but the collision happened "as planned".  The death of the cyclist would have a  fated knock on effect, that can change history for those around that person; cause, effect, and consequence comes into the equation fully, with the motorists life also changed by the momentum of the "scheduled" event.  Life, or death, decided by fate and God.

Throughout mans history that pattern has been there, and gives rise to the if's, maybe's, could have beens, and should have been of counter factual history.  One bullet, one action of man, one event, that on the face of it appears to be "man made", will become a  situation where people will say "that was fated; it was meant to happen!" It is in fact God's will to ensure the destiny of his children and the world is fulfilled.

I hope you are not serious Lizzie, if so, then I suggest that you take some tablets. :-? :-? :-?

It is not a question of tablets S, but a strong belief in my faith built over 57 years and a shed warehouse full, including much in the way of near death, experience.

Anyway just because my views are different than yours does not mean I need to take tablets!

[Sixstring]

In a car........rarely.

On a bike............................thats another story.
YES, do frequently, would like to say safely, but have to confess sometimes, I'm a "tarmac terrorist" and ride like I stole it.

Mostly, I ride carefully, but on an open road, on a quiet day, in good weather.......................Hmm.

[albitz]

No. . . speeding is for people making up for the loss in their pants. . 

Has your nose grown a few inches today ?

[cem_devecioglu]

No. . . speeding is for people making up for the loss in their pants. . 

Has your nose grown a few inches today ?

 

[tidla]

without some control (speed limits in this case) there is no free will.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/victims/default.stm

without free will , and a belief in "fate", non of the said victims would have bothered to get up that very morning.

Indeed, and they did not expect to die, but just have another day safely in their offices being back at home that evening!

would a loving god , who as some say at this time of year gave his only son to cover the sins of mankind, really want to have any influence on the day to day goings on in such a macabre way?

unfortunate set of circumstances maybe.

the only "fate" or "predetermination" is death, in the end.

i think most people have had a "close shave" with no real consequence and after thought "that was a stupid thing to do"

as said by a few, with age comes experience, the only trouble is that the inexperienced dont always appreciate the reason for some laws, the lessons have to be learn the hard way.

i dont think many would happy to contribute to anothers demise .

a group of teenagers wrapping the motor around a tree= inexperience. not fate by some devine intervention.

[albitz]

No. . . speeding is for people making up for the loss in their pants. . 

you must do some serious speeding then. Rumour has it yours is like a bookies biro.

[Shackeng]

Lizzie

Are you suggesting that (for example) the death of a cyclist is down to "unwritten laws" and the hand of fate, and nothing to do with the deliberate actions of some body driving too fast?

Kevin (not Ken )

Yes!   Fate put the cyclist there, it made that person be at that particular place, at that time, on that date, just as the car was fated to be on the same spot, with the rest of the  road perhaps clear, but the collision happened "as planned".  The death of the cyclist would have a  fated knock on effect, that can change history for those around that person; cause, effect, and consequence comes into the equation fully, with the motorists life also changed by the momentum of the "scheduled" event.  Life, or death, decided by fate and God.

Throughout mans history that pattern has been there, and gives rise to the if's, maybe's, could have beens, and should have been of counter factual history.  One bullet, one action of man, one event, that on the face of it appears to be "man made", will become a  situation where people will say "that was fated; it was meant to happen!" It is in fact God's will to ensure the destiny of his children and the world is fulfilled.

I hope you are not serious Lizzie, if so, then I suggest that you take some tablets. :-? :-? :-?

It is not a question of tablets S, but a strong belief in my faith built over 57 years and a shed warehouse full, including much in the way of near death, experience.

Anyway just because my views are different than yours does not mean I need to take tablets!

It's not the difference in views I argue with, it is your implication that its OK to kill someone in an accident caused by your speeding, because its 'God's will'. I remember an air crash caused by a pilot uttering almost exact phrase (in his own language) in which he killed all on board. I assume, according to you, that was acceptable. Would you feel the same if a child of yours was killed by a speeding driver, and still believe it was God's will? If so, your God does not impress me.

[millwall]

i take it nows not a good time to admit i ignore speed limits quite a lot     on boxing day i hammered it from london to portsmouth to watch the football  cant be late for the match

[Mr Skrunts]

i take it nows not a good time to admit i ignore speed limits quite a lot     on boxing day i hammered it from london to portsmouth to watch the football  cant be late for the match

It's your licence, and if you get caught up doing a ton up then it's an instant ban.