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[Shackeng]

IMO

Oh dear there does seem to be a lot of uninformed or unthinking or inexperienced opinion on this subject.

About 2,500 people a year a killed on Britain's roads. I have driven around 20,000 miles a year for 30+ years and I have never seen a fatal accident. I never saw the fatal accident on the A34 near here  which caused the local authority to reduce it to 40mph. But, might it not be just a bit arrogant of me to think that because I don't see the accidents and I didn't see the person killed on the A34, that I know better than the LA as to what a suitable speed would be on that stretch of road?

K

Yep, but to put everything into propestive, 156,720 people died from all cancers in the UK in 2009.  1 in four people who die will do so due to cancer.

On the 1st July 1916 the first day of the First Battle of the Somme claimed 60,000 casulties, with another 60,000 the next day.  When HMS Hood blew up on the 24th May 1941 1415 men were lost, with just 3 left bobbing around in the water wondering why they had survived.

I do not aim to trivalise the loss of 2,500 people a year in road collisions, but let us put it into prospective.  Yes we should make the roads safe, but still recognise that no  matter what, as I stated in my previous post, life is a risk from the second we are conceived.  God has planned our life and it is meant to be lived.  Live in a small room for life and your risks are very limited, but who wants that type of existence? No, live life to the full; take risks, have faith, and accept the inevitable when it happens!

Sorry about the delay in this reply, had a keyboard failure which required some effort to rectify.

Lizzie, my life and my career have been about taking calculated risks, including rallying with co-drivers, flying, motor cycle scrambling (now known as motocross), but to the best of my knowledge, I have never deliberately, unless it was a 'joint risk' enterprise, put other people at risk OF THEIR LIVES, because I enjoyed risking mine.

I have no problem with your beliefs, as we are all entitled to our own, but we should also remember that if God created us, he also created our free will, and that we should use this free will to deliberately put innocent people in harms way is not acceptable to my beliefs.

But I never stated the opposite to that S!  When I said take risks in that one sentence I meant that we cannot be wrapped up in cotton wool, and we must all live life to the full not in a state of constant protection.  Life is a risk, and as a trained risk assessor I know exactly what that means in both the domestic and commercial world.  I would never deliberately go out and put others at risk, and that it why I never fit cheap brakes or tyres to my cars, or cut corners in their maintenence as I know some do on this forum!!

But, as I repeatedly state in my previous posts, we live a life full of risks from beginning to end regardless of what we think or do.

As I have also previously stated in my "philosphy" posts, I strongly support the teachings of John Locke.  He made it clear that we all have a natural, God given, right to our freedom, but we have a duty to ensure that freedom hurts no one else, and we support the general 'social contract' when we live within our societies.

All that does not change my belief that shit in life happens, and for a reason only known to God who is orchestrating the whole universe! We have no control on that 'fate'

Well we can certainly agree on that, while perhaps disagreeing on the why it happens! Unfortunately, having travelled the world and seen death, destruction, and children dying of starvation, or deliberately maimed by parents to aid in begging, has destroyed my belief in any loving and all-knowing God.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

IMO

Oh dear there does seem to be a lot of uninformed or unthinking or inexperienced opinion on this subject.

About 2,500 people a year a killed on Britain's roads. I have driven around 20,000 miles a year for 30+ years and I have never seen a fatal accident. I never saw the fatal accident on the A34 near here  which caused the local authority to reduce it to 40mph. But, might it not be just a bit arrogant of me to think that because I don't see the accidents and I didn't see the person killed on the A34, that I know better than the LA as to what a suitable speed would be on that stretch of road?

K

Yep, but to put everything into propestive, 156,720 people died from all cancers in the UK in 2009.  1 in four people who die will do so due to cancer.

On the 1st July 1916 the first day of the First Battle of the Somme claimed 60,000 casulties, with another 60,000 the next day.  When HMS Hood blew up on the 24th May 1941 1415 men were lost, with just 3 left bobbing around in the water wondering why they had survived.

I do not aim to trivalise the loss of 2,500 people a year in road collisions, but let us put it into prospective.  Yes we should make the roads safe, but still recognise that no  matter what, as I stated in my previous post, life is a risk from the second we are conceived.  God has planned our life and it is meant to be lived.  Live in a small room for life and your risks are very limited, but who wants that type of existence? No, live life to the full; take risks, have faith, and accept the inevitable when it happens!

Sorry about the delay in this reply, had a keyboard failure which required some effort to rectify.

Lizzie, my life and my career have been about taking calculated risks, including rallying with co-drivers, flying, motor cycle scrambling (now known as motocross), but to the best of my knowledge, I have never deliberately, unless it was a 'joint risk' enterprise, put other people at risk OF THEIR LIVES, because I enjoyed risking mine.

I have no problem with your beliefs, as we are all entitled to our own, but we should also remember that if God created us, he also created our free will, and that we should use this free will to deliberately put innocent people in harms way is not acceptable to my beliefs.

But I never stated the opposite to that S!  When I said take risks in that one sentence I meant that we cannot be wrapped up in cotton wool, and we must all live life to the full not in a state of constant protection.  Life is a risk, and as a trained risk assessor I know exactly what that means in both the domestic and commercial world.  I would never deliberately go out and put others at risk, and that it why I never fit cheap brakes or tyres to my cars, or cut corners in their maintenence as I know some do on this forum!!

But, as I repeatedly state in my previous posts, we live a life full of risks from beginning to end regardless of what we think or do.

As I have also previously stated in my "philosphy" posts, I strongly support the teachings of John Locke.  He made it clear that we all have a natural, God given, right to our freedom, but we have a duty to ensure that freedom hurts no one else, and we support the general 'social contract' when we live within our societies.

All that does not change my belief that shit in life happens, and for a reason only known to God who is orchestrating the whole universe! We have no control on that 'fate'

Well we can certainly agree on that, while perhaps disagreeing on the why it happens! Unfortunately, having travelled the world and seen death, destruction, and children dying of starvation, or deliberately maimed by parents to aid in begging, has destroyed my belief in any loving and all-knowing God.

Yes I agree and admit that all tests my faith and makes me question why??!!

But my beliefs make me think that this is a test for all of us to do something, as mankind has the power to help, but do any of us really meet that challenge, but pass it on to others?!!  God, for me, knows the answers, as I certainly do not, and those who suffer now, especially the children, will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So in the end, one way or another, the situation will be resolved to the good.  Have no fear about that

[tidla]

theres a slight shift in the story there.

from god putting the cyclist in the line of harm to a bigger plan of looking after the universe.

probably looking at the bigger picture might answer why he would sacrifice his son on behalf of mankind.

then to meddle with or have a hand in the day to day misery of mankind does not make any sense?

[Shackeng]

IMO

Oh dear there does seem to be a lot of uninformed or unthinking or inexperienced opinion on this subject.

About 2,500 people a year a killed on Britain's roads. I have driven around 20,000 miles a year for 30+ years and I have never seen a fatal accident. I never saw the fatal accident on the A34 near here  which caused the local authority to reduce it to 40mph. But, might it not be just a bit arrogant of me to think that because I don't see the accidents and I didn't see the person killed on the A34, that I know better than the LA as to what a suitable speed would be on that stretch of road?

K

Yep, but to put everything into propestive, 156,720 people died from all cancers in the UK in 2009.  1 in four people who die will do so due to cancer.

On the 1st July 1916 the first day of the First Battle of the Somme claimed 60,000 casulties, with another 60,000 the next day.  When HMS Hood blew up on the 24th May 1941 1415 men were lost, with just 3 left bobbing around in the water wondering why they had survived.

I do not aim to trivalise the loss of 2,500 people a year in road collisions, but let us put it into prospective.  Yes we should make the roads safe, but still recognise that no  matter what, as I stated in my previous post, life is a risk from the second we are conceived.  God has planned our life and it is meant to be lived.  Live in a small room for life and your risks are very limited, but who wants that type of existence? No, live life to the full; take risks, have faith, and accept the inevitable when it happens!

Sorry about the delay in this reply, had a keyboard failure which required some effort to rectify.

Lizzie, my life and my career have been about taking calculated risks, including rallying with co-drivers, flying, motor cycle scrambling (now known as motocross), but to the best of my knowledge, I have never deliberately, unless it was a 'joint risk' enterprise, put other people at risk OF THEIR LIVES, because I enjoyed risking mine.

I have no problem with your beliefs, as we are all entitled to our own, but we should also remember that if God created us, he also created our free will, and that we should use this free will to deliberately put innocent people in harms way is not acceptable to my beliefs.

But I never stated the opposite to that S!  When I said take risks in that one sentence I meant that we cannot be wrapped up in cotton wool, and we must all live life to the full not in a state of constant protection.  Life is a risk, and as a trained risk assessor I know exactly what that means in both the domestic and commercial world.  I would never deliberately go out and put others at risk, and that it why I never fit cheap brakes or tyres to my cars, or cut corners in their maintenence as I know some do on this forum!!

But, as I repeatedly state in my previous posts, we live a life full of risks from beginning to end regardless of what we think or do.

As I have also previously stated in my "philosphy" posts, I strongly support the teachings of John Locke.  He made it clear that we all have a natural, God given, right to our freedom, but we have a duty to ensure that freedom hurts no one else, and we support the general 'social contract' when we live within our societies.

All that does not change my belief that shit in life happens, and for a reason only known to God who is orchestrating the whole universe! We have no control on that 'fate'

Well we can certainly agree on that, while perhaps disagreeing on the why it happens! Unfortunately, having travelled the world and seen death, destruction, and children dying of starvation, or deliberately maimed by parents to aid in begging, has destroyed my belief in any loving and all-knowing God.

Yes I agree and admit that all tests my faith and makes me question why??!!

But my beliefs make me think that this is a test for all of us to do something, as mankind has the power to help, but do any of us really meet that challenge, but pass it on to others?!!  God, for me, knows the answers, as I certainly do not, and those who suffer now, especially the children, will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. So in the end, one way or another, the situation will be resolved to the good.  Have no fear about that

I do envy you your faith, but am very happy to believe that Heaven and Hell, to use commonly known terms, are here and now with us as we live, and to paraphrase Karl Marx, I agree that religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. It seems no accident to me that so many different 'True' religions exist throughout the world, and lets be honest here, they cannot all be 'True'. So what happens to those who are unlucky to believe in the 'wrong' religion when they pass on? Tough luck I guess.

[Debs.]

I do envy you your faith, but am very happy to believe that Heaven and Hell, to use commonly known terms, are here and now with us as we live, and to paraphrase Karl Marx, I agree that religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. It seems no accident to me that so many different 'True' religions exist throughout the world, and lets be honest here, they cannot all be 'True'. So what happens to those who are unlucky to believe in the 'wrong' religion when they pass on? Tough luck I guess.

This topic has really been an interesting discussion.....`nice to see such a topic not deteriorate into 'factionism'.

My personal maxim is simple:

"Primum non nocere"

I`ll feel that I`ve 'succeeded' in life, if on my funeral-day, people could honestly think; "she didn`t do anyone any harm and she tried (always) to be kind"......perhaps that`s the only 'afterlife' that we may expect: to be remembered kindly by others.

[Shackeng]

I do envy you your faith, but am very happy to believe that Heaven and Hell, to use commonly known terms, are here and now with us as we live, and to paraphrase Karl Marx, I agree that religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. It seems no accident to me that so many different 'True' religions exist throughout the world, and lets be honest here, they cannot all be 'True'. So what happens to those who are unlucky to believe in the 'wrong' religion when they pass on? Tough luck I guess.

This topic has really been an interesting discussion.....`nice to see such a topic not deteriorate into 'factionism'.

My personal maxim is simple:

"Primum non nocere"

I`ll feel that I`ve 'succeeded' in life, if on my funeral-day, people could honestly think; "she didn`t do anyone any harm and she tried (always) to be kind"......perhaps that`s the only 'afterlife' that we may expect: to be remembered kindly by others.

I agree Debs, there is no doubt that we get a better class of blogger on OOF. 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

theres a slight shift in the story there.

from god putting the cyclist in the line of harm to a bigger plan of looking after the universe.

probably looking at the bigger picture might answer why he would sacrifice his son on behalf of mankind.

then to meddle with or have a hand in the day to day misery of mankind does not make any sense?

There is no shift in the story from me Tapper

The universe is us, is part of us, and we are a very tiny part of it.  It is the creation of God, and all that happens within it is under the control of our maker.  That is what I, and billions of others believe, those who believe in THE one God, who is the centre of the major world religions, although I do not consider myself part of a religion.  I do not like the politically motivated meddling middle men of the churches, which may prove to be my great mistake!!

As I have stated before everything is interlocked, with nothing in the universe operating independently, so something "localized" can/does affect the general situation.  We move, we act, we live, and have an effect on that around us.  Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) was virtually the first to recognise that there was a stream of atoms (not fully understood at the time) radiating across the universe, and our actions deflected them, altering events without God's intervention.  I disagree with that point, but like the Quantum scientists of today know that atoms play strange games and are full of hidden reason of movement.  That for me is where God comes in, but I cannot prove it!!  I just know and understand how events in history have acted on, and are due, to other events, and 'strange' happenings have transpired that make it clear an intelligent being is at it's heart.  Some scientists will disagree with "the God" theory, whilst others are convinced that is the answer.  They all seem to agree though that we live in an interlinked universe, where nothing is random, but for a given purpose.

There, now I have bought science into it, because to me God is THE greatest scientist who has created nature in all is wonder, majesty, and sometimes terrifying destructive power to control the Great Picture of evolution.  

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I do envy you your faith, but am very happy to believe that Heaven and Hell, to use commonly known terms, are here and now with us as we live, and to paraphrase Karl Marx, I agree that religion is the 'opiate of the masses'. It seems no accident to me that so many different 'True' religions exist throughout the world, and lets be honest here, they cannot all be 'True'. So what happens to those who are unlucky to believe in the 'wrong' religion when they pass on? Tough luck I guess.

This topic has really been an interesting discussion.....`nice to see such a topic not deteriorate into 'factionism'.

My personal maxim is simple:

"Primum non nocere"

I`ll feel that I`ve 'succeeded' in life, if on my funeral-day, people could honestly think; "she didn`t do anyone any harm and she tried (always) to be kind"......perhaps that`s the only 'afterlife' that we may expect: to be remembered kindly by others.

I agree Debs, there is no doubt that we get a better class of blogger on OOF. 8-) 8-) 8-)

Agreed again!!

[tidla]

theres a slight shift in the story there.

from god putting the cyclist in the line of harm to a bigger plan of looking after the universe.

probably looking at the bigger picture might answer why he would sacrifice his son on behalf of mankind.

then to meddle with or have a hand in the day to day misery of mankind does not make any sense?

There is no shift in the story from me Tapper

The universe is us, is part of us, and we are a very tiny part of it.  It is the creation of God, and all that happens within it is under the control of our maker.  That is what I, and billions of others believe, those who believe in THE one God, who is the centre of the major world religions, although I do not consider myself part of a religion.  I do not like the politically motivated meddling middle men of the churches, which may prove to be my great mistake!!

As I have stated before everything is interlocked, with nothing in the universe operating independently, so something "localized" can/does affect the general situation.  We move, we act, we live, and have an effect on that around us.  Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) was virtually the first to recognise that there was a stream of atoms (not fully understood at the time) radiating across the universe, and our actions deflected them, altering events without God's intervention.  I disagree with that point, but like the Quantum scientists of today know that atoms play strange games and are full of hidden reason of movement.  That for me is where God comes in, but I cannot prove it!!  I just know and understand how events in history have acted on, and are due, to other events, and 'strange' happenings have transpired that make it clear an intelligent being is at it's heart.  Some scientists will disagree with "the God" theory, whilst others are convinced that is the answer.  They all seem to agree though that we live in an interlinked universe, where nothing is random, but for a given purpose.

There, now I have bought science into it, because to me God is THE greatest scientist who has created nature in all is wonder, majesty, and sometimes terrifying destructive power to control the Great Picture of evolution.  

  especially the events bit.

[Danny]

the truth is, i've been known to creep over the limits on some roads now and again, and by that i do mean creep over, i.e. 34-35 in a 30, 75-80 on the motorway

i'm not one of these who'll see an empty quiet uninterrupted 30 and floor it to 60 for the rush of it, or hit 110 on the motorway

i drive sensibly, i find it very calming

[millwall]

jerry, please define religeon for me please.

I believe my brother to be religeous in the fact he religeouus;y gets a lift to the club on a thursday night at 7pm to save seats for all his mates to that turn up at 8pm. 

Plus Millwall is religeous in the fact he never misses a match.    :-/

amen

[tidla]

jerry, please define religeon for me please.

I believe my brother to be religeous in the fact he religeouus;y gets a lift to the club on a thursday night at 7pm to save seats for all his mates to that turn up at 8pm. 

Plus Millwall is religeous in the fact he never misses a match.    :-/

amen

 

[millwall]

i take it nows not a good time to admit i ignore speed limits quite a lot     on boxing day i hammered it from london to portsmouth to watch the football  cant be late for the match

It's your licence, and if you get caught up doing a ton up then it's an instant ban.

which team do you support then? you've never made it clear 

i will give you a clue  its not wet spam or crippled alice

[skyblue]

i take it nows not a good time to admit i ignore speed limits quite a lot     on boxing day i hammered it from london to portsmouth to watch the football  cant be late for the match

It's your licence, and if you get caught up doing a ton up then it's an instant ban.

which team do you support then? you've never made it clear 

i will give you a clue  its not wet spam or crippled alice

Queer rangersa  :-?

[millwall]

i take it nows not a good time to admit i ignore speed limits quite a lot     on boxing day i hammered it from london to portsmouth to watch the football  cant be late for the match

It's your licence, and if you get caught up doing a ton up then it's an instant ban.

which team do you support then? you've never made it clear 

i will give you a clue  its not wet spam or crippled alice

Queer rangersa  :-?

you win  how did you guess skyblue