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[Gaffers]

It is a fallacy to beleive that by increasing gun control you reduce gun crime, as the previous government were warned, ignored and then saw happen before their eyes.

[cem_devecioglu]

may I remind a fact, if those guns are forbid, what will do the arms industry in USA.. they are the part of their system! and have strong relations with politicians..  

[cem_devecioglu]

statistics prooved that , guns handy in houses increase crime rates, at least between wife and husband

[Nickbat]

Did someone mention Obama?

This is a direct quote from Sen. Barack Obama (talking about Republicans) at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14 2008:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”


Hmm. Right.

[Banjax]

Did someone mention Obama?

This is a direct quote from Sen. Barack Obama (talking about Republicans) at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14 2008:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”


Hmm. Right.

one of the few world leaders who has the timing and skill to tell a joke - have a look at the recent paul mccartney/hall of fame speech 

most politicians come across as idiots when they try to be funny, at least O is genuinely funny - well W was genuinely funny, but not in a way he meant, David "Dave" C, Gideon O, Gordon B, Maggie T, etc are/were all cringeworthy when they tried it. Nick Clegg and Tony Blair could pull off a decent gag, but now everyone hates them so its out of the equation

actually hmmm- funny politicians - theres a thread  8-)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think Liz has hit the nail on the head - America as we know it was stolen, fought over, settled and won by the gun by Europeans so its in the countries DNA to carry a weapon - it'd be like outlawing the drinking of tea in Britain.

Americans ironically cling to guns for fear of violence, when its the guns themselves that cause most of it.......thats some catch that catch-22 

Exactly BJ, it is all part of their culture as well as part of the Constitution as I highlighted before. 

It is all part of being an American, based on the history of literally fighting for their justice and rights.  They trust no other country on Earth but themselves, yet do not trust each other!  The average American know they have a lot of hard ball, trigger happy, red necks across a country far bigger than anyone in Britain can begin to imagine unless you have been there.  A very high proportion of Americans would feel highly vulnerable without their own personal weapons, as that is not only the American way, but they need to defend themselves when back up may be hundreds of miles away in a "wild west" tradition.  To ask the Americans to give up their right of arms, is like Brussels asking the British to give up eating roast beef; would we?  Like hell!!  Nor then will the Americans give up that right without dramatic legal and national change!

They are though a very proud nation, not immature but, I suggest, matured on the use of weapons to gain their rights throughout their relatively short history. They would no doubt not only fight again for their country, fiercely (their US Army recruitment numbers are normally always above target), but would fight again for the freedom of the western world as part of the defense of the USA!

Britain is a different culture and I suggest we cannot compare our standing on wearing guns to the situation in the United States.  It is like comparing chalk and cheese.  After all what they do in their own country is up to them.    

[cem_devecioglu]

I think Liz has hit the nail on the head - America as we know it was stolen, fought over, settled and won by the gun by Europeans so its in the countries DNA to carry a weapon - it'd be like outlawing the drinking of tea in Britain.

Americans ironically cling to guns for fear of violence, when its the guns themselves that cause most of it.......thats some catch that catch-22 

Exactly BJ, it is all part of their culture as well as part of the Constitution as I highlighted before. 

It is all part of being an American, based on the history of literally fighting for their justice and rights.  They trust no other country on Earth but themselves, yet do not trust each other!  The average American know they have a lot of hard ball, trigger happy, red necks across a country far bigger than anyone in Britain can begin to imagine unless you have been there.  A very high proportion of Americans would feel highly vulnerable without their own personal weapons, as that is not only the American way, but they need to defend themselves when back up may be hundreds of miles away in a "wild west" tradition.  To ask the Americans to give up their right of arms, is like Brussels asking the British to give up eating roast beef; would we?  Like hell!!  Nor then will the Americans give up that right without dramatic legal and national change!

They are though a very proud nation, not immature but, I suggest, matured on the use of weapons to gain their rights throughout their relatively short history. They would no doubt not only fight again for their country, fiercely (their US Army recruitment numbers are normally always above target), but would fight again for the freedom of the western world as part of the defense of the USA!

Britain is a different culture and I suggest we cannot compare our standing on wearing guns to the situation in the United States.  It is like comparing chalk and cheese.  After all what they do in their own country is up to them.    

yes.. but until they got bored and try those things on us

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think Liz has hit the nail on the head - America as we know it was stolen, fought over, settled and won by the gun by Europeans so its in the countries DNA to carry a weapon - it'd be like outlawing the drinking of tea in Britain.

Americans ironically cling to guns for fear of violence, when its the guns themselves that cause most of it.......thats some catch that catch-22 

Exactly BJ, it is all part of their culture as well as part of the Constitution as I highlighted before. 

It is all part of being an American, based on the history of literally fighting for their justice and rights.  They trust no other country on Earth but themselves, yet do not trust each other!  The average American know they have a lot of hard ball, trigger happy, red necks across a country far bigger than anyone in Britain can begin to imagine unless you have been there.  A very high proportion of Americans would feel highly vulnerable without their own personal weapons, as that is not only the American way, but they need to defend themselves when back up may be hundreds of miles away in a "wild west" tradition.  To ask the Americans to give up their right of arms, is like Brussels asking the British to give up eating roast beef; would we?  Like hell!!  Nor then will the Americans give up that right without dramatic legal and national change!

They are though a very proud nation, not immature but, I suggest, matured on the use of weapons to gain their rights throughout their relatively short history. They would no doubt not only fight again for their country, fiercely (their US Army recruitment numbers are normally always above target), but would fight again for the freedom of the western world as part of the defense of the USA!

Britain is a different culture and I suggest we cannot compare our standing on wearing guns to the situation in the United States.  It is like comparing chalk and cheese.  After all what they do in their own country is up to them.    

yes.. but until they got bored and try those things on us

No that is strictly controlled....................................to their military which go in for Blue on Blue fire, always have done, always will!!! They are trigger happy!!

[cem_devecioglu]

I think Liz has hit the nail on the head - America as we know it was stolen, fought over, settled and won by the gun by Europeans so its in the countries DNA to carry a weapon - it'd be like outlawing the drinking of tea in Britain.

Americans ironically cling to guns for fear of violence, when its the guns themselves that cause most of it.......thats some catch that catch-22 

Exactly BJ, it is all part of their culture as well as part of the Constitution as I highlighted before. 

It is all part of being an American, based on the history of literally fighting for their justice and rights.  They trust no other country on Earth but themselves, yet do not trust each other!  The average American know they have a lot of hard ball, trigger happy, red necks across a country far bigger than anyone in Britain can begin to imagine unless you have been there.  A very high proportion of Americans would feel highly vulnerable without their own personal weapons, as that is not only the American way, but they need to defend themselves when back up may be hundreds of miles away in a "wild west" tradition.  To ask the Americans to give up their right of arms, is like Brussels asking the British to give up eating roast beef; would we?  Like hell!!  Nor then will the Americans give up that right without dramatic legal and national change!

They are though a very proud nation, not immature but, I suggest, matured on the use of weapons to gain their rights throughout their relatively short history. They would no doubt not only fight again for their country, fiercely (their US Army recruitment numbers are normally always above target), but would fight again for the freedom of the western world as part of the defense of the USA!

Britain is a different culture and I suggest we cannot compare our standing on wearing guns to the situation in the United States.  It is like comparing chalk and cheese.  After all what they do in their own country is up to them.    

yes.. but until they got bored and try those things on us

No that is strictly controlled....................................to their military which go in for Blue on Blue fire, always have done, always will!!! They are trigger happy!!

or until they decide to bring us freedom

[Banjax]

careful Cem, arent there US bases in Turkey - this'll be getting monitored for un-American terrorist activity 

can i just point out to any CIA/FBI/homeland security staff watching (hi!) personally i love the states: the Simpsons, the Wire, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Mad Men, cheeseburgers and coke, Steve Earle, the Boss, 60's and 70's muscle-cars, REM, comic books, New York, the Oakland Raiders, the Red Sox, IndyCar and Bill Hicks....to name a few things 

[cem_devecioglu]

careful Cem, arent there US bases in Turkey - this'll be getting monitored for un-American terrorist activity 

can i just point out to any CIA/FBI/homeland security staff watching (hi!) personally i love the states: the Simpsons, the Wire, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Mad Men, cheeseburgers and coke, Steve Earle, the Boss, 60's and 70's muscle-cars, REM, comic books, New York, the Oakland Raiders, the Red Sox, IndyCar and Bill Hicks....to name a few things 

 

yes there are.. and I cant say I'm pleased with them, especially with an unknown number of nukes with known/unknown targets

but the list is also composed of things I like

[Dishevelled Den]

careful Cem, arent there US bases in Turkey - this'll be getting monitored for un-American terrorist activity 

can i just point out to any CIA/FBI/homeland security staff watching (hi!) personally i love the states: the Simpsons, the Wire, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Mad Men, cheeseburgers and coke, Steve Earle, the Boss, 60's and 70's muscle-cars, REM, comic books, New York, the Oakland Raiders, the Red Sox, IndyCar and Bill Hicks....to name a few things 

Dit-O if you throw in Bill Monroe, Family Guy, Seinfeld and Messrs Smith and Wesson.

[BigAl]

Did someone mention Obama?

This is a direct quote from Sen. Barack Obama (talking about Republicans) at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14 2008:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”


Hmm. Right.

To counter that  Palin has  taken down one of her "motivational" posters - the one one with rifle sights, which relates to targeting specific politicians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7046bo92a4 to see shot senators view , prior to this incident
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345682/Sarah-Palin-hits-critics-blame-vitriolic-rhetoric-Arizona-shooting.html for info about Palin

[Nickbat]

Did someone mention Obama?

This is a direct quote from Sen. Barack Obama (talking about Republicans) at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14 2008:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun, because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”


Hmm. Right.

To counter that  Palin has  taken down one of her "motivational" posters - the one one with rifle sights, which relates to targeting specific politicians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7046bo92a4 to see shot senators view , prior to this incident
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345682/Sarah-Palin-hits-critics-blame-vitriolic-rhetoric-Arizona-shooting.html for info about Palin

The incident has nothing to do with Left/Right politics, but is more to do with a deranged young man. It is sad that so many in the US and UK chose to vilify Palin & the Tea Party movement instead of mourning the loss of 6 lives including that of a 9-year-old girl. I chose the Obama quote to show that there is little difference between Palin's "gunsights" and Obama's "gun" threat, except the former is jumped upon by sick people wishing to exploit a tragedy for their own political ends. That Ms Palin has removed her website image is to be applauded, not least as a mark of respect.

In my book, there is actually nothing wrong either in Obama's words, nor Palin's graphic. They are merely used to add a bit of theatrical substance to the political battle between Democrat & Republican parties in the States.   

[bluey]

Both the left and the right in the US have used war terminology to describe their campaign efforts.  Certain journalists have used Palin's cross-hair image to suggest there was a causal link between it and the shooting, despite there being no evidence to support it and plenty to show the offender was, if anything, not a Tea party supporter.