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[geoffr70]

Hello.

Please tell me if I'm wrong, but, I'm aware that lpg for road use is subject to a certain tax making it more expensive than that sold for domestic heating etc. I also understand that it is exactly the same, and not dyed, in the same way red diesel is for non road use.

So I have a few Q's.

1. How are domestic appliances plumbed in for lpg?
2. I've seen tanks with a manual hand pump for dispensing to a road vehicle. Is this as straightforward as it seems?
3. If i got a 1000 litre tank and filled it with lpg, would the company selling it be bothered if it was for road use or not (they'd still be making the sale).
4. Am i right in thinking it's not strictly legal to use lpg intended and taxed for domestic use in road vehicles?

Thanks

[Lazydocker]

Not sure, but AFAIK exactly the same as it would be on "piped" gas, just with a tank in the garden.

Hand pumps work, although I would be cautious WRT static build up etc and knackered filling my tank constantly!

Not sure how the supplier would view it but it's perfectly legal to use domestic LPG in a road vehicle as long as you keep a record and declare it to HMRC, obviously paying the duty as required.

Hope that's useful

[geoffr70]

Thanks LD, I'm weighing up my options ATM. I've just got to try and find out from some where if LPG will be taxed to the same level as petrol and diesel at any point in the near future, therefore making a future LPG conversion economically unviable

[Entwood]

Not sure, but AFAIK exactly the same as it would be on "piped" gas, just with a tank in the garden.

Hand pumps work, although I would be cautious WRT static build up etc and knackered filling my tank constantly!

Not sure how the supplier would view it but it's perfectly legal to use domestic LPG in a road vehicle as long as you keep a record and declare it to HMRC, obviously paying the duty as required.

Hope that's useful

Sorry ... totaly incorrect ..   (AFAIK anyway .. ) Long article linked at the bottom

The "road fuel tax" is paid when the fuel leaves the suppliers depot. At which point it is referred to as "duty paid gas". The law is quite specific (para 2.2)

Producers and suppliers can change the status of "duty free" gas (para 4.1 , 4.2) but consumers cannot.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageExcise_ShowContent&id=HMCE_CL_000173&propertyType=document

[Lazydocker]

I've just got to try and find out from some where if LPG will be taxed to the same level as petrol and diesel at any point in the near future

As it is currently being pushed as a "Green" fuel there is commitment from the government not to reduce the duty differential between petrol and LPG by more than 1p per litre per year until 2015 (I think!)

However, whether that stands or not is anyone's guess

FWIW, if you base your calculations on a saving of around 9p per mile you should get a good idea as long as you don't do a high number of very short journeys.

Be warned if you're planning on a tank in the garden that the supplier will require you to jump through some hoops

[geoffr70]

Thanks Entwood and LD. On my calculations at the current cost of both fuels, 20 mpg on petrol, and 17 on gas I think I'll be saving 9-10p a mile. Looks like a home tank will be a no go. I'll not be doing the conversions til October at the earliest. Thanks

[Lazydocker]

Entwood, it does also state that you can declare the duty on "duty free" LPG at the time of converting it to "Duty Paid", I.e. When filling the car  However, IMO it would be a right royal PITA and has too much opportunity for mistakes!

If you had a LPG tank for domestic use they could fit calibrated dispensing equipment to enable this. However I do notice that the document you have linked to is (relatively) new, so my information may well be out of date now :-/ I'm on my phone so would need to study it in more detail at a later date

[SteveMJ_new]

I made some enquiries along these lines last year.

I found that I could not easily get a tank fitted on the property and if it was it would be filled with LPG duty paid i.e. broadly speaking at a comparable cost to a fuel station.

I had visions of filling mine at ~30p/L

[tidla]

i know nowt about lpg other than forkift trucks in warehouses run on it with a cylinder on its side.

the last roofers size clylinder i bought for heating (47kg?) was £55.

how far would that go theoretically speaking..

[Martin_1962]

i know nowt about lpg other than forkift trucks in warehouses run on it with a cylinder on its side.

the last roofers size clylinder i bought for heating (47kg?) was £55.

how far would that go theoretically speaking..

About 90l
60l is about £40 in autogas

[feeutfo]

LPG central heating might be more worthwhile? 

[Vamps]

I have just had a shock at how much a 47kg bottle is, sure I was only paying £39 last season.... Use them on the caravan (Static) and we like the fire on...

[Lazydocker]

Just had another read of the HMRC document...

Section 4 deals with declaration of duty when set aside and seems to contradict the 7 day notice required earlier in the document :-/ :-/

But it does seem to say that if you have LPG for heating/domestic use you can use it in a road vehicle as long as you declare and pay the duty, keep records etc... :-/

Anyway, as I said, I think it would be a right PITA and potential for a very expensive balls up Best avoided IMO unless you buy it all in as duty paid

[Elite Pete]

Take up hot air ballooning, you need alot of gas for that

[scimmy_man]

Im told the pump from a pressure washer, being mainly brass, will transfer LPG.