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[Richie London]

can afford to take there 2 kids on holiday to spain for a 2 week holiday in peak seaon they are getting to much handouts from the tax payer. am i right or wrong for saying there a scrounging lazy bstrd?? 

[Debs.]

Yes, I personally know of someone whom has been given £500. of Benefit Agency vouchers to take a 'holiday-break' with her son (whom suffers ADHD).....They`ve booked 2 weeks in Turkey.

Evidently, a holiday 'once a year' is considered to be one of life`s 'essentials' (like food and a place to live)......and whilst we all hope for a fair(er) society; my personal opinion is that (perhaps) the National Insurance Scheme/NHS was not conceived for such things and which must be especially galling for working folk on low/minimum wages paying their own rent/mortgage, council/income tax and N.I contributions and seeing some claimants (almost) laughing at them for bothering to have employment. :-?

[Banjax]

can afford to take there 2 kids on holiday to spain for a 2 week holiday in peak seaon they are getting to much handouts from the tax payer. am i right or wrong for saying there a scrounging lazy bstrd?? 

precisely why we avoid the school hols - too many tk maxxers on their jollies - none of whom seem to have worked out yet how much they can drink 

not that i ever get any time for a holiday 

[blackviper90210]

I kinda agree with you, but it all depends on the whole picture. I left school in the 80's and have never claimed benefits except child benefit.....until now.

I've lost my job last month and whilst hunting for a new one, I have just knackered my right knee. As it stands, I now have to claim benefit to get by. I'm genuinely now unfit to work and currently waiting on an Op, but I have already booked and paid for a holiday for next month, last year.

Does that mean I'm overpaid? I doesn't, but you know the full story of how I paid for the holiday....by working.

Just my opinion 

[Banjax]

Yes, I personally know of someone whom has been given £500. of Benefit Agency vouchers to take a 'holiday-break' with her son (whom suffers ADHD).....They`ve booked 2 weeks in Turkey.

Evidently, a holiday 'once a year' is considered to be one of life`s 'essentials' (like food and a place to live)......and whilst we all hope for a fair(er) society; my personal opinion is that (perhaps) the National Insurance Scheme/NHS was not conceived for such things and which must be especially galling for working folk on low/minimum wages paying their own rent/mortgage, council/income tax and N.I contributions and seeing some claimants (almost) laughing at them for bothering to have employment. :-?

thats a good point debs, the welfare state was designed and concieved to keep people out of poverty, a holiday in my opinion is a luxury, if you cant afford it then tough - there are definitely too many people who think the world (taxpayer) owes them a living.........but they're small potatoes compared to the tax avoidance of big business, but big business would far rather we attacked the poor and left them alone - i'm watching them like a hawk tho 

[Richie London]

but when someone says they cant work cause they have 2 kids and both are in full time education i find that a pathetic excuse not to work. and then boasts about going abroad it tends to pi$$ me off a bit.

[russ0205]

Don't know where they manage to get it from, I have swmbo and two kids had a stroke two years ago so am now disabled and all i get is the basic, worked for the last 30 years and never claimed anything, Jut piss.....  me off when i hear things like that,

[jonnycool]

Well I live in the benefit capital of Britain, if the tabloids are to be believed, and many of those on benefits around here have nicer houses and drive more expensive cars than I could ever afford. a great deal of them have never worked and they grow up to set their kids a terrible example. You then get generation after generation who don't think there's any point working, even if they can 

I worked even when I was in school, and ever since, and I struggle some years to provide a decent holiday for my family, it does make you wonder why you bother sometimes

[Varche]

Mr and Mrs Varche were talking about this very same subject yesterday and concluded that the benefit system ought to be scrapped and everyone who wants state money has to earn it. Can be anything from manning a library, filling in potholes (yes I know H&S) visiting the elderly. maybe "Big Society"? Why should anyone get money for nothing?

[hercules]

Mr and Mrs Varche were talking about this very same subject yesterday and concluded that the benefit system ought to be scrapped and everyone who wants state money has to earn it. Can be anything from manning a library, filling in potholes (yes I know H&S) visiting the elderly. maybe "Big Society"? Why should anyone get money for nothing?

ive said that before varche,they should be out painting fences and picking litter off the streets or something

[jyr001]

I have to say it makes my blood boil reading some of the stories about "lifer loafers" and it seems to be commonplace that long term unemployed's just seem to breed more. The kids grow up knowing nothing else.

There's many a year that I haven't been able to afford a holiday (of any kind) yet I've got family members who blatantly play the system have rarely worked and always seem to have money in their pocket for their getaway breaks.  I've never been unemployed (although I'm now getting damn close and at just the wrong time - the wrong side of 50) but for anyone who has paid into the system that has fallen on bad luck and needs benefits - that's fine by me - they've invested in the system and deserve the payback. The low lifes who have never contributed should get sweet F.A.

I read somewhere that in some countries long term unemployed were forced to take on so called "dirty jobs" to continue getting benefit sounds good to me.

[albitz]

Yes, I personally know of someone whom has been given £500. of Benefit Agency vouchers to take a 'holiday-break' with her son (whom suffers ADHD).....They`ve booked 2 weeks in Turkey.

Evidently, a holiday 'once a year' is considered to be one of life`s 'essentials' (like food and a place to live)......and whilst we all hope for a fair(er) society; my personal opinion is that (perhaps) the National Insurance Scheme/NHS was not conceived for such things and which must be especially galling for working folk on low/minimum wages paying their own rent/mortgage, council/income tax and N.I contributions and seeing some claimants (almost) laughing at them for bothering to have employment. :-?

thats a good point debs, the welfare state was designed and concieved to keep people out of poverty, a holiday in my opinion is a luxury, if you cant afford it then tough - there are definitely too many people who think the world (taxpayer) owes them a living.........but they're small potatoes compared to the tax avoidance of big business, but big business would far rather we attacked the poor and left them alone - i'm watching them like a hawk tho 

Up to the final sentence, you sounded more like a right wing Daily Mail reader than I do.

[oatcakekev]

I lived and worked in Spain for 3 years. Paid my Ni and taxes in the same way we do here. They dont allow scroungers of any type over there. Anyway, I came back through being made redundant and having broken my back. The 'rules' are that if you are an eu citizen etc, blah blah blah, you can claim benefits if you find yourself in difficulty.... Except of course, if you have paid your taxes and n.i contributions in britain and are british. I lived in a caravan and couldnt claim any benefits, help with housing etc, oh, and I was in a wheelchair with a plaster cast around me. ...Bitter? Me??

[Marks DTM Calib]

Sadly, we cant afford a holiday this year but hey, I am just a hard working citizen.

[Vamps]

I know some families who get more per week than I do nett, and I have to pay a morgage and council tax out of my money......