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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #15 on: 24 May 2007, 12:15:05 »

Granted though Apple now sells tunes with no DRM attached. But they charge 15p more!

I still say they should ditch the stupid iPod filing system though.
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #16 on: 24 May 2007, 12:16:21 »

With risk of going slightly off topic.. why do many of you find WMPlayer so rubbish??

I have it on my system and find it practically faultless, it's easy to use and does everything i need it to, i even favour it to winamp!

am i missing out on other media player's full potentials??
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #17 on: 24 May 2007, 12:22:20 »

I actually like WMP. The new version is fully featured and has quite a lot of support.

Still use Winamp as my music player though and VLC for my videos. Just means I never ever have to install any codecs, which are a pain in t'arse.
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #18 on: 24 May 2007, 12:30:11 »

i dont mind installing codecs so i suppose that doesnt matter

i use WMP all the time as my media player, i have relatively decent (aftermarket) computer speakers with a sub and the quality is perfect, my computer's in a small room anyway which helps
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #19 on: 24 May 2007, 12:32:12 »

I suspect many people dislike WMP simply because it is Microsoft.  Same sort of people tend to rave over Linux etc, without always understanding the technicalities.  WMP is capable, does what it says on the tin, and does it well. It's album handling is suspect when you use network stored media, but other than that, it works.

Winamp - the only other player I used to install - used to be so much better than WMP, but that app lost its way when it got swallowed by AOL, never really recovered.

MS do sell Windows (though not Vista as far as I can see) without WMP.  On these PC's, I tend to install WMP if a player is required, as it probably is the best all round player available.
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #20 on: 24 May 2007, 12:40:00 »

anyone else as lost as I am on this thread..?  :-/  (I got about half way down the first page before the acronyms started)

TD - I've also got a 2GB Nano which I got free with a bank account.   You need to install itunes from the web - it runs ok on my Win 2000 system (nothing fancy I promise you).  Then it's fairly self explanatory.
I needed to do some jiggery pockery to get it to charge as I recall - some funny with itunes on win2k.  I have just ripped cd's , not downloaded anything so can't talk about that.

If you give up, I'm sure you can find a wobbly table ;D

Cheers,

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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #21 on: 24 May 2007, 13:46:16 »

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I suspect many people dislike WMP simply because it is Microsoft.  Same sort of people tend to rave over Linux etc, without always understanding the technicalities.  WMP is capable, does what it says on the tin, and does it well. It's album handling is suspect when you use network stored media, but other than that, it works.

Winamp - the only other player I used to install - used to be so much better than WMP, but that app lost its way when it got swallowed by AOL, never really recovered.

MS do sell Windows (though not Vista as far as I can see) without WMP.  On these PC's, I tend to install WMP if a player is required, as it probably is the best all round player available.

Nope -- Microsoft do some good stuff, that I freely admit, but WMP is definitely not one of them. It's bloated, buggy crap that really isn't particularly good at playing and managing music, although it's "got da bling" which I guess makes it good in a lot of people's eyes. Oh and AFAIK it doesn't play FLAC either, although I've never tried as I long since gave up on it.

I've yet to come across a media player that is good for both videos and music, mainly because unified media players aren't much good at managing music collections that span tens of thousands of tracks. Hence why on all systems I generally have a seperate app for both, although Winamp is pretty decent for playing videos but not my preferred app.

Personally on Windows systems I use Media Player Classic for videos, which is a free open-source player which has the interface of old WMP (version 6.4 or something, last version before it became bloated and focused on visuals rather than playing media) but a modern back-end that excels at playing videos quickly and easily. It's extensible and can even play Quicktime and Real Player videos so that's another two pieces of junk you don't need installed.

Like I said before for music on Windows I use Winamp, there are plugins available for just about any format you may wish to play, the Media Library is fully configurable so you can set up categories based on lots of criteria if you want, and it's still only a few meg to download. Admittedly it hasn't really seen much development since America Online (ugh!) took it over, but it's still far ahead of WMP and will probably continue to be as long as Microsoft keep adding more bloat and more bugs, while still failing to add basic functionality that decent players have had for years.

WMP is a perfect example of Microsoft leveraging their desktop monopoly to gain traction in other markets (which is exactly why the EU ruled against them in the anti-trust case). Do you really think anyone would use WMP if it were made by an independent vendor and you had to go online to download it (just like you do with Winamp)? I seriously doubt it -- there are far better products out there, but many people are happy to use whatever comes preinstalled regardless of how crap it is. Same goes for Hotmail Messenger.... ICQ had a far bigger market share (and latterly America Online) and a better protocol, but as soon as Windows Messenger came preinstalled with Windows suddenly it became the dominant client and the others all but disappeared.

IMO Microsoft's strategy in markets like this is seldom about trying to deliver the best product, it's about delivering a product that is "good enough" so that the average person isn't displeased enough to make the effort of finding, downloading and installing a superior alternative.

PS You can get WMP-free versions of Vista, known as the "N" editions. I currently have the full version but as I can get a free licence for the "N" version too I'm going to pick one of those up and install it instead, as I'd rather not have the garbage that is WMP installed at all.
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #22 on: 24 May 2007, 14:23:44 »

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Do you really think anyone would use WMP if it were made by an independent vendor and you had to go online to download it (just like you do with Winamp)? I seriously doubt it -- there are far better products out there, but many people are happy to use whatever comes preinstalled regardless of how crap it is. Same goes for Hotmail Messenger.... ICQ had a far bigger market share (and latterly America Online) and a better protocol, but as soon as Windows Messenger came preinstalled with Windows suddenly it became the dominant client and the others all but disappeared.
I do believe that WMP is the best unified free player. To be honest, it is very stable, and does what it set out to do (except network media storage, that is suspect).  Personally, I really dislike the interface, but I know many do like it.

I also believe that Windows Messenger/Messenger/Live Messenger/whatever it is called this week was/is the best IM for mass market, based on ease and feature set.  Obviously a requirement now as its now the most popular.

In the same way, I believe IE was (from v3) a better browser than Netscape's efforts. Remember, NT4 came with such a naff browser, and 95 (pre OSR2) came with no browser, that you had to install one. Microsoft's was so much better than Navigator, that is why it became the default.  Same now, its not that IE is preinstalled (most people using XP, but have installed the later IE7), but still the best and most secure (!). Now before anyone says about it being forced via WU, that is not the case in corporate environments, yet IE7 still popular. Also, the number of people installing IE7 outside of WU is impressive.  Again, personally, I don't like IE7 much, but it is growing on me (slowly!).

Read behind the headlines on the EU ruling - who were pulling the puppet strings. I'll give you a small clue, it wasn't an American group of companies ;)
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #23 on: 24 May 2007, 17:15:05 »

Yep got Itunes installed...spose i should read the help  ::)  :o
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #24 on: 24 May 2007, 17:34:51 »

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I do believe that WMP is the best unified free player. To be honest, it is very stable, and does what it set out to do (except network media storage, that is suspect).  Personally, I really dislike the interface, but I know many do like it.

I also believe that Windows Messenger/Messenger/Live Messenger/whatever it is called this week was/is the best IM for mass market, based on ease and feature set.  Obviously a requirement now as its now the most popular.

In the same way, I believe IE was (from v3) a better browser than Netscape's efforts. Remember, NT4 came with such a naff browser, and 95 (pre OSR2) came with no browser, that you had to install one. Microsoft's was so much better than Navigator, that is why it became the default.  Same now, its not that IE is preinstalled (most people using XP, but have installed the later IE7), but still the best and most secure (!). Now before anyone says about it being forced via WU, that is not the case in corporate environments, yet IE7 still popular. Also, the number of people installing IE7 outside of WU is impressive.  Again, personally, I don't like IE7 much, but it is growing on me (slowly!).

Read behind the headlines on the EU ruling - who were pulling the puppet strings. I'll give you a small clue, it wasn't an American group of companies ;)

I don't believe anyone has come up with a good unified media player, which is why I use a seperate video and music player. So maybe WMP is the best in that category, but it's such a poor category I wouldn't call that much of an accolade.

Agreed the interface is terrible, video players used to be about the video, but ever since WMP7 it's been about how many buttons, context-based links, etc., can be crammed around the screen with the video showing somewhere amongst it all. This is where Media Player Classic gets it so right -- it's a small, fast loading app that lets you get the video playing and stays out of your way, with nice unobtrusive controls. It does mostly everything WMP does (and some stuff that WMP doesn't do) in about a tenth of the size and about 10 times faster.

As for messaging protocols, Windows Messenger had a very poor feature set for a long time, such as no voice, no direct file transfers (they had to go through the MS servers and usually that means very slow). Sure it was easy to use, but so were the others which had loads more features and were just as reliable. I remember in the early days of IM when I was still in school everyone was on ICQ... but gradually after Messenger came bundled with Windows I noticed more and more people using it cos that's what came with their PC -- particularly the less tech-savvy types who came later to the whole internet "revolution". Eventually it got to the point where those of us (me included) who'd rather not use Windows Messenger were forced to do so because 80% of our contacts were on it.

I would say that IE3 was still pretty crap TBH... it was from IE4 onwards that they started to show stability and decent features. Note how MS threw copious amounts of cash rapidly developing new versions of IE until they'd forced all competitors out then left it untouched apart from security fixes for many years.

You can debate about the merits of the EU ruling (the first of which was about bundling WMP, the second which is currently still unresolved is about lack of documentation for their networking protocols hindering interoperability -- for which they have already been found guilty) but those same arguments don't hold up for the US case. Remember that MS were found guilty of anti-trust in abusing their monopoly position in the US, the DoJ were poised to take some pretty severe action but strangely after Bush came to power in 2000 they ended up with little more than a slap on the wrist. Make of that what you will, but MS are known to have spent substantial sums on "lobbying" influential members of congress. Although the punishment was almost non-existant, the judgement stands.
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #25 on: 25 May 2007, 12:38:40 »

How about we come up with our own media player? Good looks, simple interface, similar codec pack as VLC and a playlist & media library like winamp?
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #26 on: 27 May 2007, 19:45:52 »

I have been using my ipod nano on my laptop....but its a bit slow @ 750Mhz plus its only got a usb1.1 port.....using itunes to compress files before transferring them to the ipod brings the laptop to a halt nearly  :(

So decided this morning to put itunes on desktop pc thats 2.8G and got usb2 ports....5 mins job i thought......i thought wrong  >:(

3 hours later and ive given up for time being......the desktop with XP Pro SP2 will not whatever i try recognise the Ipod.....carnt see it in explorer or with itunes  :(
In fact ive managed to break XP on it, trying different things......at this point i gave up....as i was getting to 'Jaimes Sammy' stage!

I'll need to rebuild it first before trying anything else.....didnt matter i broke it....coz i only use it for storage space....and the 160G disk in it has a seperate 20G boot partition.

Anyone else had probs with XP SP2 seeing ipods on usb2.0 .... and what the fix is.

Looking on the net it seems a common problem.....but things i tried didnt work  :(
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #27 on: 29 May 2007, 11:14:12 »

Are you using the front panel USB ports or rear ones? Could be a problem there...

Try reinstalling iTunes and the iPod drivers to the faster machine.
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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #28 on: 29 May 2007, 18:37:25 »

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Are you using the front panel USB ports or rear ones? Could be a problem there...

Try reinstalling iTunes and the iPod drivers to the faster machine.

Its got 8 of them, 6 on the back and 2 at the front at the side....tried em all!

I have installed itunes on it? But what Ipods drivers? Or do they install with itunes?

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Re: What do you do with an IPOD nano?
« Reply #29 on: 29 May 2007, 19:16:42 »

SOunds like you need the Isledge
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