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[Banjax]

So, the OP and BJ want Scottish independence. Were will Scotland get its money from after it becomes independent. :-/
I will ignore the BNP lite comment - apart from the fact it is stupid beyond description,I would imagine it was worded as such to start yet another argument.

SNP are way beyond seeking independence, we have devolution which will do for now, until a referendum when the times right - i always find it odd that so many down south care whether scotland is part of the UK or not - what are you worried about if we're such a drain on the economy surely England would be better off without us?

full independence will happen when the tories get a majority government in westminister again, we havent voted for the tories in any great number since the 50's 

I note that you havent attempted to answer the question, but never mind.
Why have independence when the time is right ? that sounds like a cop out to me  If a proud nation demands the right to independence, then why not demand it now , rather than when all your ducks are nicely lined up ?
I believe the SNP promised a referundum with in the term of the last parliament ? wonder what happened ?
The reason many down south care about the issue might be something to do with the fact that people like you are forever banging the drum about  being anti English etc, and wanting independence " when it suits " while the whole infrastructure of the country is funded purely on grants from westminster, which have come from taxpayers within a 75 mile radius of London.
The UK outside of that zone runs at a loss, and generally speaking, the further outside that zone you are, the more subsidised you are.
Financially speaking, England would be incredibly better off without the other countries which constitute the UK,  but it can be argued that it is a price worth paying. I used to believe in that argument, but im not so sure now. I believe very strongly that the UK should be governed from Westminster ( where all the money comes from) and if that isnt suitable to the other countries, then they should be granted full independence.
Everyone is having their cake and eating it these days.
I have to pay £7 for a prescription, so that those in the other 3 countries dont have to pay anything. Thats wrong, and if I lived in the UK outside of England, I think I might have trouble sleeping. I wouldnt want to be anybodys charity case,  but if I were, I like to think I wouldnt have a chip on my shoulder about the source of the charity, and constantly bite the hand that is feeding me.

not only insulting, but sneering, racist, ill informed and delusional.............perfect oof post - well done 

havent laughed so much since NB proposed the BNP were left wing - this thread's a keeper 

[albitz]

Yay - I got a bite.

Now you know how it feels.

I did note though that (again) you didnt attempt to argue any of the points raised.

[Martin_1962]

So, the OP and BJ want Scottish independence. Were will Scotland get its money from after it becomes independent. :-/
I will ignore the BNP lite comment - apart from the fact it is stupid beyond description,I would imagine it was worded as such to start yet another argument.

SNP are way beyond seeking independence, we have devolution which will do for now, until a referendum when the times right - i always find it odd that so many down south care whether scotland is part of the UK or not - what are you worried about if we're such a drain on the economy surely England would be better off without us?

full independence will happen when the tories get a majority government in westminister again, we havent voted for the tories in any great number since the 50's 

I note that you havent attempted to answer the question, but never mind.
Why have independence when the time is right ? that sounds like a cop out to me  If a proud nation demands the right to independence, then why not demand it now , rather than when all your ducks are nicely lined up ?
I believe the SNP promised a referundum with in the term of the last parliament ? wonder what happened ?
The reason many down south care about the issue might be something to do with the fact that people like you are forever banging the drum about  being anti English etc, and wanting independence " when it suits " while the whole infrastructure of the country is funded purely on grants from westminster, which have come from taxpayers within a 75 mile radius of London.
The UK outside of that zone runs at a loss, and generally speaking, the further outside that zone you are, the more subsidised you are.
Financially speaking, England would be incredibly better off without the other countries which constitute the UK,  but it can be argued that it is a price worth paying. I used to believe in that argument, but im not so sure now. I believe very strongly that the UK should be governed from Westminster ( where all the money comes from) and if that isnt suitable to the other countries, then they should be granted full independence.
Everyone is having their cake and eating it these days.
I have to pay £7 for a prescription, so that those in the other 3 countries dont have to pay anything. Thats wrong, and if I lived in the UK outside of England, I think I might have trouble sleeping. I wouldnt want to be anybodys charity case,  but if I were, I like to think I wouldnt have a chip on my shoulder about the source of the charity, and constantly bite the hand that is feeding me.

not only insulting, but sneering, racist, ill informed and delusional.............perfect oof post - well done 

havent laughed so much since NB proposed the BNP were left wing - this thread's a keeper 

But they are

[Nickbat]

Yay - I got a bite.

Now you know how it feels.

I did note though that (again) you didnt attempt to argue any of the points raised.

That would be out of his comfort zone, Albs. 

[albitz]

 

[Banjax]

we have devolved government, that means our elected mps get to decide how and where we spend funds, the SNP decided to use some of the health budget to allow every citizen free prescriptions (i happen to believe if you can afford it you should pay for it but hey - will of the people and all that  ) now if this makes you unhappy Albs, I'd suggest campaigning for it in England, unfortunately, as you yourself state, the further outside London you go the weaker the economy (I'll not go into the well worn reasons for whats happened to Scottish industry in the last 40yrs, but you'll guess where i put the blame - "unelected" "tory" "overlords" are just words so this concentration of the workforce in the south and particularly the south east has a detrimental effect as implementing countrywide policies (like free prescriptions) would be far too expensive, you also create a magnet for immigration - why would Scotland - one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe have a similar economy to the most densely populated country in Europe, its a bit like the "one size fits all" Eurozone it doesnt work - it cant possibly work our countries are getting more and more diverse politically, but dont bleat about decisions our government make - it makes no difference to the slice of the pie that we all contribute to, so to say you're paying for our free prescriptions is a nonsense. I could just as easily say my taxes pay for the hordes of unemployed and their sprogs in London - but as we're one nation you cant make that distinction, overall, the UK has benefitted by having four countries each individual traits and cultures joining together - its made us stronger we've fought wars together, built and lost empires together, freed the world from evil together, laugh at the same jokes, read the same books, watch the same films, play the same sports the list goes on - even tho i vote SNP now and again doesnt mean their be all and end all is full independence (besides, it wont happen without the referendum so even if 100% of Scots voted SNP wouldnt break up the union - you would still need a referendum, and I'd argue England, Wales and NI should have a say too) but dont make out we're like some unwanted houseguest complaining about the wallpaper - we all built the house 

[bigegg]

I know one thing - if Scotland DOES vote for independence, I'm moving there.
Good thing about my job is I can do it anywhere.
and if that doesn't work, I can always grow haggis [1]

[1]which is £3.99 a time in morrisons!!! 

[Banjax]

I know one thing - if Scotland DOES vote for independence, I'm moving there.
Good thing about my job is I can do it anywhere.
and if that doesn't work, I can always grow haggis [1]

[1]which is £3.99 a time in morrisons!!! 

you don't grow haggis - you catch them 

[CaptainZok]

I know one thing - if Scotland DOES vote for independence, I'm moving there.
Good thing about my job is I can do it anywhere.
and if that doesn't work, I can always grow haggis [1]

[1]which is £3.99 a time in morrisons!!! 

you don't grow haggis - you catch them 

I thought you had to stalk them, that's what H21 always tells us anyway.

[albitz]

Banjax - you make many good and relevant arguments there for the retention of the status quo in this United Kingdom.
I would threfore suggest that you surely cannot in all consciencse vote for the SNP -a party which exists for the purpose of the break up of the U.K. - as your post could have been written as a party political broadcast by any ogf the parties which stands for the complete opposite of what the SNP believes.

[Banjax]

Banjax - you make many good and relevant arguments there for the retention of the status quo in this United Kingdom.
I would threfore suggest that you surely cannot in all consciencse vote for the SNP -a party which exists for the purpose of the break up of the U.K. - as your post could have been written as a party political broadcast by any ogf the parties which stands for the complete opposite of what the SNP believes.

SNP has realised that if they tone down the independence talk, they scoop up a lot of lapsed labourites disillusioned with the Blair/Brown legacy, so nowadays voting SNP doesnt necessarily mean you want independence, bizarrely     

[albitz]

Sounds hypocritical to me.

[Banjax]

Sounds hypocritical to me.

they're politicians first and foremost Albs 

[albitz]

Absolutely - but, to airbrush out the reason your party existed in the first place is pretty low even by political standards.

[Banjax]

Absolutely - but, to airbrush out the reason your party existed in the first place is pretty low even by political standards.

its on the back burner, on a low gas, shall we say