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[albitz]

So, they and their supporters talk the talk, but due to a lack oF gonads/commitment to their own beliefs/confidence in their own abilities etc.......have no intention of actually walking the walk ?

[mantahatch]

I do not want to comment on actual devolution. But what happens to Faslane.

Would England move the base to England ? I cannot imagine the MOD having its nuclear sub base in what would be a foreign country.

And just to add, what about the RAF base/s.

[Banjax]

So, they and their supporters talk the talk, but due to a lack oF gonads/commitment to their own beliefs/confidence in their own abilities etc.......have no intention of actually walking the walk ?

much like the tories promising a referendum on europe, the LibDems promising.....well the list's endless,or Labour promising to be socialist 

their are far more pressing matters than splitting up the UK albs - as every party in power is finding  :-?

[bigboykarl]

lord tebbit thinks the bnp is left wing
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022233/the-left-wing-bnp-could-cost-labour-seats-at-the-general-election/

[Banjax]

lord tebbit thinks the bnp is left wing
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022233/the-left-wing-bnp-could-cost-labour-seats-at-the-general-election/

Hitlers left wing from Tebbits perspective 

[bigboykarl]

lord tebbit thinks the bnp is left wing
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022233/the-left-wing-bnp-could-cost-labour-seats-at-the-general-election/

Hitlers left wing from Tebbits perspective 

[Martin_1962]

lord tebbit thinks the bnp is left wing
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022233/the-left-wing-bnp-could-cost-labour-seats-at-the-general-election/

Hitlers left wing from Tebbits perspective 

Hitler is left wing on any chart the Socialist bit is a HUGE giveaway

[Nickbat]

lord tebbit thinks the bnp is left wing
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022233/the-left-wing-bnp-could-cost-labour-seats-at-the-general-election/

Hitlers left wing from Tebbits perspective 

Of course he was left wing:

"The Nazis argued that capitalism damages nations due to international finance, the economic dominance of big business, and Jewish influences within it. Adolf Hitler, both in public and in private, held strong disdain for capitalism; he accused modern capitalism of holding nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class. He opposed free-market capitalism's profit-seeking impulses and desired an economy where community interests would be upheld."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Anti-capitalism

[Banjax]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.

from your link, even you Nick, can't cherry-pick historical fact, surely 

[Nickbat]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.

from your link, even you Nick, can't cherry-pick historical fact, surely 

Do you actually know what socialism is, Banjax?

Essentially, it is anti-capitalist, anti-wealth, anti-private ownership.

Philosopher Stephen Hicks writes: "The issue about how socialist the Nazis were is, in part, a judgment call about long-term principles and short-term pragmatism." Hicks argues that the Nazis claimed to be more devoted to socialism than the Soviet Bolsheviks: the Russians were preoccupied with economics while the Nazis thought socialism should control not only economics but breeding, religion and other intimate details of life.

Of course, when you think about it the whole left/right issue is not linear, but circular. Go far enough left and you meet the far right coming the other way. 

[Banjax]

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism[1]) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and antisemitism.[10] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.

from your link, even you Nick, can't cherry-pick historical fact, surely 

Do you actually know what socialism is, Banjax?

Essentially, it is anti-capitalist, anti-wealth, anti-private ownership.

Philosopher Stephen Hicks writes: "The issue about how socialist the Nazis were is, in part, a judgment call about long-term principles and short-term pragmatism." Hicks argues that the Nazis claimed to be more devoted to socialism than the Soviet Bolsheviks: the Russians were preoccupied with economics while the Nazis thought socialism should control not only economics but breeding, religion and other intimate details of life.

Of course, when you think about it the whole left/right issue is not linear, but circular. Go far enough left and you meet the far right coming the other way. 

I think you're getting a bit confused with what Hitler deemed to be socialism and what socialism is, socialism, ideally is a world where every man and woman of whatever creed, colour or religion is treated equally. Hitlers idea of socialism extended as far as the "Aryan" race, he didn't exactly espouse equality to put it mildly.

I find this a strange argument, almost like socialism has become such a dirty word its now being reverse engineered into history to serve current right wing thinking.......very odd 

[Nickbat]

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I think you're getting a bit confused with what Hitler deemed to be socialism and what socialism is, socialism, ideally is a world where every man and woman of whatever creed, colour or religion is treated equally. Hitlers idea of socialism extended as far as the "Aryan" race, he didn't exactly espouse equality to put it mildly.

I find this a strange argument, almost like socialism has become such a dirty word its now being reverse engineered into history to serve current right wing thinking.......very odd 

Socialism is not defined by the terms you give. One can be a capitalist and still treat different creeds, colours & religions equally!

The definition of socialism is as follows:

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property. b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

 

[Banjax]

NB - nip out and get some sun, have a drink, enjoy yourself - have a good weekend 

kin ell 

[Nickbat]

NB - nip out and get some sun, have a drink, enjoy yourself - have a good weekend 

kin ell 

Banjax gets all flustered. 

[albitz]

Again . ,,,,,,,its getting too easy.