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Re: An unsuccessful day
« Reply #15 on: 17 July 2006, 18:54:26 »
Yeap, I know the feeling well!

Can't really imagine being without my collection! The whole Omega/IT Engineer thing seems to work, I know alot of IT peeps, myself included who cruise around in Meegas.
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« Reply #16 on: 17 July 2006, 18:58:56 »
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That'll be due to the poor pay  :P
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« Reply #17 on: 17 July 2006, 19:03:14 »
Lol, yeah that sounds about right, though I did MCSE:Security and MCSA:Security a few years back and ever since then things have got slightly better!  Am self-employed now and would never look back.
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Re: An unsuccessful day
« Reply #18 on: 17 July 2006, 19:09:47 »
Ahhh, Windows servers, that brings back some (un)happy memories....   ;)
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« Reply #19 on: 17 July 2006, 19:14:56 »
Hehehe, yeah, you either love them or hate them but it's a way of life.  We do a whole heap of other UNIX based work too but the Windows platform is still, and probably always will be, 'bread and butter' work.

I specialise in network security so it's not as bad as it used to be, tend not to have to deal with too many end users these days which has halved my stress levels from a few years back.  Still, sometimes it's good to have to go back to basics and deal with a complete numpty who can't even figure out how to turn the machine on  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: 17 July 2006, 20:26:33 »
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I love Netware servers - so reliable
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« Reply #21 on: 17 July 2006, 20:41:45 »
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Ahhh, Windows servers, that brings back some (un)happy memories....   ;)

I love Netware servers - so reliable
Netware. Reliable. 2 words I thought I'd never here in same sentence  ;D - Netware 5 was just awful, 4 and 3 suffered from bad apps - ARCserve used to abend them almost weekly, 6 and 6.5 are SUSE based.

Couple that to an absolutely awful Windows client...

'Nuf said really...  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: 17 July 2006, 23:36:21 »
Uptimes measured in years was my favourite trick - Netware 5 was really good, that one has got our known customer server uptime record of around 560 days.

Another one (4.2 ) used to get uptimes every year of 330 or so days as it was taken home at Christmas.

We use Advantage Database Server on them - brilliant C/S engine, we use about 3 languages and VB to talk to it.  

CLipper, VO, XBase++, VB
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Re: An unsuccessful day
« Reply #23 on: 17 July 2006, 23:52:13 »
A site I worked on years ago ran Netware 3.11/2 servers on Compaq Proliant hardware. (Remember them, y'know, the old ones that used to stand on the floor, not the posh rack mounted ones!!)

Anyway, they had one in particular that had been running non stop for somewhere in the region of 3.5 years. The problem was that noone could remember where it was. (This was a huge site with lots of old office blocks and obviously not great on audits!!!.)

As the story goes, they eventually found it whilst having some wiring done in a cupboard behind a stack of shelves under a load of old legers!! Covered in dust but functioning 100%.
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« Reply #24 on: 17 July 2006, 23:53:29 »
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Ahhh, Windows servers, that brings back some (un)happy memories....   ;)

I love Netware servers - so reliable
Netware. Reliable. 2 words I thought I'd never here in same sentence  ;D - Netware 5 was just awful, 4 and 3 suffered from bad apps - ARCserve used to abend them almost weekly, 6 and 6.5 are SUSE based.

Couple that to an absolutely awful Windows client...

'Nuf said really...  ;D


LOL, need I say more! hehehe

Though in fairness, we do service some Netware 4 servers which never need rebooting, literally.  I haven't made a point of looking at the uptime but in the 3 years I have been involved with this customer I've never had to restart unless it was scheduled rack maintenance that required removing power.  Servers are accessed with good old Win2k with the Novell client (not the crappy MS one)

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Re: An unsuccessful day
« Reply #25 on: 18 July 2006, 07:16:01 »
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sometimes help files are correct  ;D
You should be ashamed of yourself! Reading help files....  ;D

I know, I know  :-[ but it was kinda a desperate act.

Windows servers are wonderful!  ;D ......i remember a site i used to work on, the Windows Print server would never go 24hrs before needing a reboot.....and being the 'class' IT dept we were  ::)....a script was written for it so that it rebooted itself during the night  :o Still some days it  needed rebooting every couple of hours.
Eventually we were forced to rebuilt it......use to go for days after that before needing rebooting   ;D
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« Reply #26 on: 18 July 2006, 09:27:09 »
Our own Netware server neeeded a rebuild last year - it started about 10 years ago as a 4.11 server, added more drives, replaced motherboards ect ect - then the original drive broke down - managed to keep the data amd rebuilt as a 6 box.

We also have a 2003 server - that chokes up if we are not careful
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Re: An unsuccessful day
« Reply #27 on: 18 July 2006, 09:30:42 »
Massive uptimes on Netware and Windows servers are a sign of not being maintained properly - both of these systems generally require reboots for patching. Tut tut.

Netware's problem (pre unix kernel) was the apps could easily bring the server down. This is a flaw with the architecture.

Window's problem is that any Tom, Dick or Harry can write apps for it - for a server directly facing the Internet, this can be a problem if the programmer doesn't truely understand the system.  I've seen this many times, once was on a well known website where the business logic was implemented as a VB6 based COM object - fine for small sites, but not ones trying to process several hundred hits per sec. Every time this companies app came on the TV, all their web servers died and needed rebooting.
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« Reply #28 on: 18 July 2006, 09:37:17 »
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Massive uptimes on Netware and Windows servers are a sign of not being maintained properly - both of these systems generally require reboots for patching. Tut tut.

Netware's problem (pre unix kernel) was the apps could easily bring the server down. This is a flaw with the architecture.

Ours was SP4 and stayed that way for about 5 years.

We found back up software was the most likely to cause problems.
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Re: An unsuccessful day
« Reply #29 on: 18 July 2006, 09:41:15 »
Despite being SP4, Novell still release regular patches ;)  As do hardware vendors ;)

ARCServe was always a server killer under Netware... ;)
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