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[TheBoy]

Ah, but in the mondeo(spit) the same area works the same as the centre. So the thumb buttons work the same as punching the centre, ie the whole of the inner wheel iirc. So you loose nothing and gain more area...it's not a case of one or the other.

Its no secret I like the Mundano (current and previous - earlier ones are useless).  A well thought out, comfortable car.

Omega is bullet proof compared to the one I had, a very steady 90k on it and it was shagged out. Of course I got the blame for destroying it after Dad gave it to me. Went well though, good brakes and suspension, I just get the impression it was never meant, or was never really capable of more than 100k life. Wrack was worn out, clutch gone, second exhaust hanging of, stiff gear box, drafts all through the car from gators and door seals and all the symbols on the stalks had worn off. 2.0 16v .....mark 1 or 2 I think, or whatever :-/ 

The early ones were truely absymal.  And Ford still can't make a petrol engine, even now.

[albitz]

....... I wouldn't have another car in replacement of it, ......

You've not had a 24v Senator then? 

Always wanted one at the time, never had one.  However, everyone I've driven in the past 5 or 6 years has been disappointing - maybe because I had the Omega first  :-/

We have already proved that a stock 3.0l 24v V6 Omega will outrun a 3.0l 24v S6 Senator (even though it was catless), is smoother, and is better balanced to take corners better.  Thats before the all the refinements to the car to make it a better ride, and a nicer place to sit.

Then consider that anything electronic on the Senator breaks after a couple of years....


I can see no advantages of a Senator - I look upon the Omega as a refined version, tweaked in all the right places.


I should point out, unlike certain members of the Admin team, I am not a Vauxhall fanatic, I generally think their cars are poorly made and designed by idiots accountants, esp lately. I'm probably not even particularly fond of the Omega, except it fills my current desires - comfortable (back issues  ), cheap, quick, excellent handling, refined - though the fact I've had one for 7yrs shows I'm struggling to find a replacement car...

There must have been something wrong with the Senny
Mine was 15 years old when I was done with it and the electonics were infinitely more reliable than an Omegas
The only problem it ever had was a fried gearbox relay.
Would still have one any day over any Omega.

[2woody]

certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.

handling, performance and economy better with the older car.

[albitz]

Now there is a man who knows what he is talking about ......
Apart from the fact that I prefer the looks of the Senny - Omega is a bit bland imo, doesnt stand out from all the other bland cars on the road. The Senator had more presence imo. If you want a Mig to have presence on the road and stand out a bit you have to spend a lot of dosh on Irmscher gear.

[TheBoy]

certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.

handling, performance and economy better with the older car.

You've just reminded me - I was supposed to take your Omega for a blast after eating. Sorry, entirely forgot 

[ianu]

..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..

[Kevin Wood]

certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.

handling, performance and economy better with the older car.

You've just reminded me - I was supposed to take your Omega for a blast after eating. Sorry, entirely forgot 

And Ford still can't make a petrol engine, even now.

.. and I clearly need to take you for a blast in the Westfield. [smiley=evil.gif]

 

Kevin

[ianu]

..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..

Ooops ..try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcvs6kIw8&feature=player_embedded

[Dishevelled Den]

..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..

That link is shown as being malformed Ian.

Was it as loud as this one?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjR5K_Fb6r4&feature=fvw[/media]

[Dishevelled Den]

..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..

Ooops ..try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcvs6kIw8&feature=player_embedded

  Splendid 

[TheBoy]

certainly a Senator is better in every respect, apart perhaps from the external looks - Omega looks modern, whilst Senator looks old.

handling, performance and economy better with the older car.

You've just reminded me - I was supposed to take your Omega for a blast after eating. Sorry, entirely forgot 

And Ford still can't make a petrol engine, even now.

.. and I clearly need to take you for a blast in the Westfield. [smiley=evil.gif]

 

Kevin

Any day, Mr Wood, any day


I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight.  I did have a blast in something similar a few years back, think it was a Dax. I do remember it had a 2.0l Sierra engine and a welded diff. Went like SOAS, and was immense fun

[Andy B]

...
I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight.  ....

Does that not depend on its passenger?   

[ianu]

..apart from the propensity to leak fluids if you take your eye off it for more than a week - I love the car.
Horn is great where it is - but agree a centre push or an old style chrome ring like the old Rover P5's had would be better.
My Volvo has a centre push - but the d*mn cruise and radio buttons are in the way so you can't easily 'toot' with your thumb without taking you hand off the rim - that is annoying.
An American on the Volvo forum has fitted a pair of these to his XC90
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcv...layer_embedded
- pml - the kid in me would love a set of these 'hornblasters' I believe they're called..

Ooops ..try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMgcvs6kIw8&feature=player_embedded

  Splendid 

..should put this on a different thread really - but I think they must be the same ones Zulu77.
I love cats - but this brought tears to my eyes..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5szCF-1o00&feature=channel

[TheBoy]

...
I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight.  ....

Does that not depend on its passenger?   

Good point, maybe I show drive instead

[Andy B]

...
I imagine the Westfield benefits from (lack of) weight.  ....

Does that not depend on its passenger?   

Good point, maybe I show drive instead