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« Reply #75 on: 17 January 2011, 19:24:21 »

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 with the crucial "feeding" branch lines running into them

How the UK lost out by abondoning its railway development advantage! >:( >:( >:(   Time for a major re-think, with fuel prices, road congestion, the European link and an ever aging population who will not be able to drive for ever, to be taken into account.  We should again have the advantages of a fine, widespread railway system, but one catering for the 21st century.

Forget fuel blockades, this is what we should protest for!8-) 8-) :y

Yet again I find myself in agreement with you Lizzie - even with the dreaded 'European link'. :y

I think the 'European link' would make an ideal test bed for large cans of expanding foam. ;D

Having been stranded by it once - never again.

As to railways, I think we've missed the boat. Had they grown with the vast development of conurbations that has taken place since Beeching's time, as they have in other countries, they may have been viable, but threading railways back into the suburbs and modern towns would be an impossible task, and if you can't walk or cycle to a station, that gets you in the right direction*, it may as well not be there.

* - i.e. not just towards or away from London - London is an irrelevance to most commuters.

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Yes, I certainly agree with that analysis K and no doubt, as Lizzie says, it would require a major rethink of the strategic transport network but to try and carry on as we are isn't a viable option as far as I can see.

The weakest link always seems to be the journey from home to the first point of public transport (for anything beyond very local journeys) - should this require a car then perhaps enhanced parking facilities should be installed at local feeder points where the traveller can be then taken on to major hubs if necessary.

It would seem sensible to try to reduce the amount of road traffic we are likely to see in the coming years but this should be done by making the alternative attractive, convenient and above all affordable, not by pricing road traffic from the roads.


Indeed ZL!  When I say major I really do mean major, and massive investment to follow, with no holds barred!  It would take real commitment and dedication by the politicians to make it happen, with a very brave approach :y :y

I see it on a par with the great Victorian railway projects and their absolute commitment to make it happen, something that built the Empire and is so often seen by many, especially on the OOF, to be missing in modern Britain.

Kevin of course makes some very valid points, especially the one of the UK "missing the boat" and not keeping the railway development in pace with population spread and conurbations.  He is also right about the hard task of driving new railways through the urban suburbs.  However, that is not an "impossible task" as Kevin suggests.  Very difficult and expensive yes, but not impossible.

The Victorian engineers managed such a task, although admittedly far more 'empty space' existed for their building.  But the modern motorway builders have pushed their roads through whole cities, one example being the M5 and M6 through Birmingham.  In addition modern railway construction techniquies and accepted practice have developed so that major lines are 'cut and buried', put into very long tunnels under urban areas, or simply placed on long viaducts, for example with the HS1 line through Kent, under/ into East London to St.Pancras.  The cross London link is also adopting the same principles.

It is not generally recognised but a double stretch of track takes up less room than a three lane motorway.  Tram ways would take up even less room, so they could radiate out from the main line stations to the various suburbs, going along old track bed plus existing road space.  I believe Manchester, to name one city in this country, has such a system, as does Croydon in a far smaller way.  Many foreign cites of course have never lost they faith in trams, and they are widespread!! ::) ::)

With Victorian type commitment, passion and entrepreneurship, coupled to 21st century construction skills, with 100 of billions of pounds spent, which will have to be found if we are going to advance a modern integrated transport system, plus that magic ingredient of POLITICAL WILL, it CAN be done! :y :y :y

PS If our country does not bite the bullet on this now, then in 25 years time motorists will be complaining about impossible traffic conditions and fuel prices of £30 a gallon, with no alternative available!! :'( :'( :'(

but surely that just reiterates what i have said? trains are not good enough and probably never will be, society is built up the use of the motor car giving the personal freedom and choice of where to work and shop, such a high taxation rate ends this choice and leads to people spending less!! bring the tax down!!


How does my piece do that O?

As for society and the motor car that has only really happened post 1955, and there is no long term future for a metal cage that takes up large amounts of road / land space, on eventually hopelessly congested roads, in a country that will have 80 million people, 10% over 100 years of age, with fuel at prohibitive prices, and using 20th century technology.  The then modern world will need a fast, large mass transport system, with very high speed railways at its core O ;) ;).
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #76 on: 17 January 2011, 19:43:49 »

Flying cars.

That's what we need ;)
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #77 on: 17 January 2011, 19:52:43 »

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Sorry, I think there should be another form of fuel blockade or demonstration. I firmly believe we should take a lesson from the French and stand up for ourselves rather than sitting back and taking it on the chin like the soft wimps that us Brits so often are. If we do nothing, the government will assume that we are all happy little bunnies with plenty of money to spare and put even more duty or tax on.
Providing that the blockade or demonstration was peaceful, it's one of the few ways us minions can let the bloody government know our feelings.
At the end of the day, it usually works for the French so why not us?

Totally agree mate as always we just bend over and take what ever crap is delt us.  Other countries need help because blar blar and were always handing over our hard earn'ed to help but nothing for us as always.  I am sick to death of paying hand over fist for things what ever it may be.  Once the prices have gone up on things it will never ever go down so i agree we need to do something to keep the cost of fuel down. :y 
We used to have are own fuel own gas and run most of the world queen victoria would be turnning in her grave.
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #78 on: 17 January 2011, 20:17:38 »

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Sorry, I think there should be another form of fuel blockade or demonstration. I firmly believe we should take a lesson from the French and stand up for ourselves rather than sitting back and taking it on the chin like the soft wimps that us Brits so often are. If we do nothing, the government will assume that we are all happy little bunnies with plenty of money to spare and put even more duty or tax on.
Providing that the blockade or demonstration was peaceful, it's one of the few ways us minions can let the bloody government know our feelings.
At the end of the day, it usually works for the French so why not us?


It will never happen! Great idea but if the average Brit can drag themselves away from Hello! or the latest twist with Jordan's latest marriage then they aren't going to go OUTSIDe to complain. far better just to have a quiet moan on the Internet.
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #79 on: 17 January 2011, 21:17:50 »

Ok right let's make this a forum thing? Every forum you're on post this up and get as many as we can to do it?
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #80 on: 17 January 2011, 21:33:25 »

The British government were elected by the people of Britain for the people of Britain,they are in power to listen and act on what we say,do they,or any other elected power, NO. So the country should then act on having them removed and someone else run our country.Who you might ask,i say CLARCKSON,any thoughts......... ;)
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« Reply #81 on: 17 January 2011, 22:05:37 »

Just remember everyone "were all in this together" Oh! except the people that are dishing out the crap,they certainly won't be having to taste it from their priveliged and protected positions!  >:(
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #82 on: 17 January 2011, 22:14:51 »

I've voted... Afraid that, much as I dislike paying the prices we do, fuel blockades are not the answer. More effective would be for everyone in the country to stop driving for a couple of days (not necessarily consecutive) and therefore no fill up... It won't happen though.

At the end of the day the current government have to do something about the deficit and fuel duty/tax and VAT in general are the fairest ways to do it.
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #83 on: 18 January 2011, 21:11:50 »

Blaming this on the coalition is wrong, the previous government had over a decade to put us in this mess, if Gordon brown hadn’t sold all our gold when prices were at an all time low just so on the outside he could appear a competent chancellor.

We can’t tax the 'rich' anymore or they’ll all bugger off.
The gov have imposed the cancelation of child benefit for people earning in the highest tax bracket.

As for prices etc, I’m a shopkeeper and we certainly haven’t just 'banged 20p on a loaf of bread'.  The cost of fuel effect everything you buy in a shop, everything in a supermarket has been on at least 5 Lorries at some point.....
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #84 on: 18 January 2011, 21:32:51 »

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Blaming this on the coalition is wrong, the previous government had over a decade to put us in this mess, if Gordon brown hadn’t sold all our gold when prices were at an all time low just so on the outside he could appear a competent chancellor.

We can’t tax the 'rich' anymore or they’ll all bugger off.
The gov have imposed the cancelation of child benefit for people earning in the highest tax bracket.

As for prices etc, I’m a shopkeeper and we certainly haven’t just 'banged 20p on a loaf of bread'.  The cost of fuel effect everything you buy in a shop, everything in a supermarket has been on at least 5 Lorries at some point.....

Please desist from inserting a modicom of intelligence and common sense into pseudo-political threads .....

You'll have the "blame everything on the Tories" department crying into their socialist issued mugs of tea

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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #85 on: 18 January 2011, 21:55:57 »

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Blaming this on the coalition is wrong, the previous government had over a decade to put us in this mess, if Gordon brown hadn’t sold all our gold when prices were at an all time low just so on the outside he could appear a competent chancellor.

We can’t tax the 'rich' anymore or they’ll all bugger off.
The gov have imposed the cancelation of child benefit for people earning in the highest tax bracket.

As for prices etc, I’m a shopkeeper and we certainly haven’t just 'banged 20p on a loaf of bread'.  The cost of fuel effect everything you buy in a shop, everything in a supermarket has been on at least 5 Lorries at some point.....

Please desist from inserting a modicom of intelligence and common sense into pseudo-political threads .....

You'll have the "blame everything on the Tories" department crying into their socialist issued mugs of tea

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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #86 on: 19 January 2011, 17:49:26 »

1091 vewings but only 51 votes

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« Reply #87 on: 19 January 2011, 18:18:06 »

I would echo much of what Pembsomega has said. It is ludicrous to forget everything which happened before the last election and put the blame on the current Govt. They have had very little time to sort out the mess, although I personally have serious doubts that they will actually sort it.
I do think it is possible that another blockade would have some effect. When Bliar ignored the last one he had the luxury of a huge majority in Parliament, wheras the current Govt. are a fragile coalition who I think might be more easy to frighten into action.
Im not convinced that tax rises are the way out of the current situation. I feel strongly that there is a hell of a lot more waste and deadwood to be cut out of the bloated public sector before private sector businesses and their employees should be considered for donating yet more to the cause of refilling the treasury money box.
And it has been demonstrated in the past in the U.S that tax cuts can actually regenerate an economy and bring in more taxation revenue than the lazy, unimaginative method of simply taking more of peoples wages from them.
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #88 on: 19 January 2011, 19:15:02 »

i think there all a load of liers and say anything to get us to vote for them.lets take a leaf out the french book and bring the whole country to a stand still for a week or 2.it always works for them and if people in this country had the balls to do it so would we.i wouldnt think twice about blocking the m25 with a truck
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Re: should there be another fuel blockade
« Reply #89 on: 19 January 2011, 19:22:08 »

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Trains? Never heard of them in these parts. I think Beeching got it right - if they cannot survive on their own merit, close the lines.

I also think HS2 should be scrapped, or at the very least, ENTIRELY paid for by the company running it.
 

There were certainly trains to Brackley in the '50s, as day boys used to commute from Woodford Halse to our school. :y
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