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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #15 on: 05 January 2011, 22:17:04 »
can u guys explain this semi-auto, flappy paddle gearbox to me? do u have a clutch? and can it be put in to normal auto mode??? :-[ :-[
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #16 on: 05 January 2011, 22:54:44 »
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can u guys explain this semi-auto, flappy paddle gearbox to me? do u have a clutch? and can it be put in to normal auto mode??? :-[ :-[

Some semi-auto flappy paddle cars have a conventional fluid drive automatic gearbox underneath which has the ability to be controlled manually or completely automatically if you want. eg a Mitsubishi FTO
Others have a manual gearbox ie a friction plate clutch etc between the flywheel & gearbox BUT has auto controls to do the clutch pedal eg Smart, Easytronic Corsas. DSG gearboxs are similar but have two clutches, one for 1 3 & 5 gears and t'other for 2 4 & 6 gears, so each clutch is either in use or ready to be in use, so the changes are almost instantaneous - the complete opposite to a Smart! :-? Again, you can either just stick it in auto & leave it do do its own thing, or you can change gear yourself with the sequential flappy paddles or + or - gearshift lever.
A 'proper' auto for me please  :y :y
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #17 on: 05 January 2011, 22:59:04 »
Totally with you on the 'proper auto' Andy B :y
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #18 on: 05 January 2011, 23:08:48 »
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Totally with you on the 'proper auto' Andy B :y

 :y :y :y

I don't have loads of experience with loads of other cars/gearboxes but SWMBO was lent a DSG Passat as a courtesy car. The speed of the change was fast, but I didn't like it  :-/ It was just A N Other car to SWMBO  :-?


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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #19 on: 05 January 2011, 23:11:11 »
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Totally with you on the 'proper auto' Andy B :y

 :y :y :y

I don't have loads of experience with loads of other cars/gearboxes but SWMBO was lent a DSG Passat as a courtesy car. The speed of the change was fast, but I didn't like it  :-/ It was just A N Other car to SWMBO  :-?



Yeah, the Omega change is fast enough for me though!
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #20 on: 06 January 2011, 00:04:05 »
Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.

Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #21 on: 06 January 2011, 00:08:43 »
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.

Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears

Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway!  ::))
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #22 on: 06 January 2011, 00:12:02 »
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.

Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears

Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway!  ::))

but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself.  ;D
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« Reply #23 on: 06 January 2011, 00:14:14 »
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.

Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears

Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway!  ::))

but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself.  ;D
;D Ah but I rather like three pedals in the cars I enjoy driving in a spirited fashion ;)
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #24 on: 06 January 2011, 00:15:03 »
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.

Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears

Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway!  ::))

but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself.  ;D

Mehehehehe! I don't think the manual is that good, it's certainly not a slick change. I think it's got tall gears aswell which I don't like in a manual.
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #25 on: 06 January 2011, 00:16:27 »
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Best manuals belonged to old RWD cars before the strong springs and when gear levers were physically attached.

Best autos are torque converter with epicyclic gears

Gearbox in the Nissan is like that - it's basically just a short stick poking out of the top of the box. Beautiful to use :) (Well it was when the car still ran, anyway!  ::))

but ...... those that have 3 pedals say that the manual g/box in an Omega isn't the nicest of manuals. I've only ever driven one for a mile or so & was still waiting for it to change itself.  ;D
;D Ah but I rather like three pedals in the cars I enjoy driving in a spirited fashion ;)

this could lead to another ''which is best?'' thread ...... if we didn't already know that a go & stop pedal is the future!  ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #26 on: 06 January 2011, 00:19:54 »
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this could lead to another ''which is best?'' thread ...... if we didn't already know that a go & stop pedal is the future!  ;) ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D We don't want another one of those..
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #27 on: 06 January 2011, 00:22:13 »
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this could lead to another ''which is best?'' thread ...... if we didn't already know that a go & stop pedal is the future!  ;) ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D We don't want another one of those..

we don't, especially at this time of morning.  ;D
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #28 on: 06 January 2011, 16:16:08 »
The Omega manual is a bit clunky and suffers from the strong side spring all modern boxes suffer from.

I had a Carlton before and that was similar.

But you could find the gears unlike a cable connected WWD car
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Re: Not much creep from auto Migs?
« Reply #29 on: 06 January 2011, 16:30:55 »
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It will certainly hold itself on a small rise of road surface, but on the level it will creep very slowly without any brake application ;)

But isn't this a different function of the gearbox Lizzie - hill hold? IIRC this is performed by the brake bands in the 'box. :-/

Creeping in drive is something else surely? And yes I have found that the creep facility in my Omega isn't that strong, especially when it's fully warmed up.

I'm having the atf & filter changed soon(-ish), that may or may not make some difference.
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