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[Mr Skrunts]

Thinking of setting up a small unit to restore a couple of cars I have my eye on, Then decided to think a bit wider then just my own restoration as one of the cars will become quite involved and may take a year or so to do.

Started looking into taking on extra work to cover overheads.  One of the ideas is to get a decent compressor to do some accident repair work on some easy damaged repairables, but also dotake on full resprays.

Thing is I dont know where to start on envirmental and legal issues with setting up a spray shop/unit.

Any help would be appreciated.   

[Ken T]

Purely from an amateur point of view, its hard work. I did mine outside, however the sunlight made it hard to see where I had previously sprayed so I got Tiger Stripes !.

A well lit booth is essential. I think with the 2 pack stuff you need breathing apparatus, and the booth needs to filter the air leaving. Also gun cleaning needs to be done in controlled conditions, eg sealed chamber all solvents trapped and disposed of correctly, etc.

That's just what I have read, probably a lot more to it. 

Ken

[cem_devecioglu]

you will need a big compressor at least 300 litre (the bigger the better as pressure drop on the gun highly effects paint quality) or you will have stop and wait for the compressor to fill ..

there are dual heads , and they work with higher industry voltage , so you will have to make some arrangements for it..

a high quality high pressure gravity fed hvlp gun.. and they are really expensive..

and for the booth..very important as dust creates real problems and destroys paint job..

must have good lighting system.. heater blowers and ventilation.. some generators which must handle at least half an hour.. (if you are about to start applying laquer -critical point- you cant stop painting simply) 20 kva will be adequate imo..

and if you decide to start a shop, you must be able to mix colors so you will need a color machine (which I dont know about their details) you need to talk to paint firms.. but standox and glassurit are most famous ..

[Omegatoy]

dont bother!! the legal aspect of setting up the fitrations system is somewhere around ten grands worth and the equipment is another 30grand,
god wait a minute that was for 2k paint!!
if you go water based its probably slightly different, BUT even with water based paint you have to use slovent based laquer, so guessing it would be the same.
far better to just use it for yourself, and make you booth out of plastic sheeting in  a seperate corner of the shop where you can control the dust by putting water on the floor, and dooing the prep elsewhere in the unit

[Mr Skrunts]

Equipment as in compressor and spray guns is not a problem, I have access to a 300 litre plus compressor, the guy doing the spray work has all his own equipment and is fully trained, but he has only ever worked for garages and there fore took it as said they were up to date on rules and regs.  Being my own/our place if it goes forward as a joint venture we just dont want to break any rules.

If a reasonable ammount of work came in then an investment in a decent spray booth would not be an issue.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Go for it Skrunts. In my opinion it is better to regret things that you did ......rather than regret things that you didn't do .

[Mr Skrunts]

Go for it Skrunts. In my opinion it is better to regret things that you did ......rather than regret things that you didn't do .

True, ready for trying something different as well.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Go for it Skrunts. In my opinion it is better to regret things that you did ......rather than regret things that you didn't do .

True, ready for trying something different as well.

How is Mrs Skrunts?

[Mr Skrunts]

Go for it Skrunts. In my opinion it is better to regret things that you did ......rather than regret things that you didn't do .

True, ready for trying something different as well.

How is Mrs Skrunts?

She's stressed, bless her, work related though, not my fault (for once )

[cem_devecioglu]

Go for it Skrunts. In my opinion it is better to regret things that you did ......rather than regret things that you didn't do .

wise words.. and very true

[henryd]

Have a read here mr Skrunts     http://www.hse.gov.uk/coshh/industry/mvr.htm

[Sipey]

Hi Mr Skrunts,

I set up my own outfit last year and so far the investment is at £65k and I am nowhere near where I want to be.

Things you will need are:

Workshop - minimum of 1,500 square feet and approval to spray cars in there - this is not easy to get if it is not already being used as a spray shop.

You need an area to strip and fit, an area to repair and prep and a seperate area to paint.
3 phase compressor with dryer.
Spray guns, vacuum DA's, vacuum sanding blocks, vacuum masks
Pin puller, sliding hammer, welder (metal one and plastic one), shrinker, jacks, ramp
Mixing scheme - you can start off with a mimimix.
If you use less than 2 ton of paint a year then you can stay solvent, anymore you need to use water.
Spray booth - spray and bake ideally but you can use heat lamps.
Tressels and lots of them.
Gun wash cabinet.
Consumeables  ie masking tape, masking paper, sheeting, sanding disks and strips, thinners, hardeners, gun wash, fillers, sealer, resins, glues, welding rods/wires (plastic and metal)
Fire proof cabinets to keep flammables in
Extraction systems - both dust and vapour
All manor of insurances.

Once you have all of that you need to make sure you can pull enough work in consistently to make it viable. When working with insurance companies be prepared to wait a minimum of 3 months to be paid for any work you do, I still have invoices outstanding from February.

PM me if you want to chat further mate.

Mark

[tigers_gonads]

Go for it skrunts 

I'm sure if you do a good job, you will get work off the lads and lasses on here 

If you do, good luck 

[Vamps]

Hi Mr Skrunts,

I set up my own outfit last year and so far the investment is at £65k and I am nowhere near where I want to be.

Things you will need are:

Workshop - minimum of 1,500 square feet and approval to spray cars in there - this is not easy to get if it is not already being used as a spray shop.

You need an area to strip and fit, an area to repair and prep and a seperate area to paint.
3 phase compressor with dryer.
Spray guns, vacuum DA's, vacuum sanding blocks, vacuum masks
Pin puller, sliding hammer, welder (metal one and plastic one), shrinker, jacks, ramp
Mixing scheme - you can start off with a mimimix.
If you use less than 2 ton of paint a year then you can stay solvent, anymore you need to use water.
Spray booth - spray and bake ideally but you can use heat lamps.
Tressels and lots of them.
Gun wash cabinet.
Consumeables  ie masking tape, masking paper, sheeting, sanding disks and strips, thinners, hardeners, gun wash, fillers, sealer, resins, glues, welding rods/wires (plastic and metal)
Fire proof cabinets to keep flammables in
Extraction systems - both dust and vapour
All manor of insurances.

Once you have all of that you need to make sure you can pull enough work in consistently to make it viable. When working with insurance companies be prepared to wait a minimum of 3 months to be paid for any work you do, I still have invoices outstanding from February.

PM me if you want to chat further mate.

Mark

Well my local chap has little of that and does work for the local main Ford dealer, he did some work for me and it was spot on......

He, like me and others were painting with 2 pac in the 80's now h&s seems to have gone mad.....

I have a stock of cellulose paint in old skool  Ford colours.......

[Sipey]

I wouldn't doubt that he is but then it all depends on how much you wish to earn. If you can earn enough turning 1 or 2 cars a week then go for it. If not, then you need space and equipment.

Insurance, safe storage and disposal of chemicals as well as having permission to store it in the first place is still required, as is proper and safe extraction.