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[Tafty]

Words fail me with what's happened this evening back home

11 year old shot dead playing football

I lived around there about 10 years ago too.  The poor parents must be devastated. Surely something has to be done after this - it's gone way way too far.

[Baron Von Spongebob]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

[MikeDundee]

Things unfortunately are not getting any better....................However, there is always plan B:

http://travel.aol.co.uk/record-number-of-britons-quit-uk/article/20070822150809990001

[Tafty]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

That would be a start definately in my opinion - would certainly deter the bravado idiots who masquerade around with immitation fire arms. Though the hard core would not be deterred I fear.

[Nickbat]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

That would be a start definately in my opinion - would certainly deter the bravado idiots who masquerade around with immitation fire arms. Though the hard core would not be deterred I fear.

Illegal possession of a firearm = life imprisonment with no parole. Job done.

[Guppy]

Things unfortunately are not getting any better....................However, there is always plan B:

http://travel.aol.co.uk/record-number-of-britons-quit-uk/article/20070822150809990001

Shouldn't have to be a plan B, why dosen't this country do something about the youths of this day and put them into some sort of order, are the parents to blame??? KID with gun 15!

[Tafty]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

That would be a start definately in my opinion - would certainly deter the bravado idiots who masquerade around with immitation fire arms. Though the hard core would not be deterred I fear.

Illegal possession of a firearm = life imprisonment with no parole. Job done.

That would be excellent - but trying to get that through the courts without upsetting the Human rights brigade would be difficult - I really hate this country sometimes - although I would hazard a guess that most other countries are the same.

[MikeDundee]

the law here sucks and in scotland it is even worse e.g, Not Proven, which is'nt in english law; I was seriously pissed off on the 10th of August on that verdict by the sherriff

[hotel21]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

That would be a start definately in my opinion - would certainly deter the bravado idiots who masquerade around with immitation fire arms. Though the hard core would not be deterred I fear.

Lets not get started on the unfortunate cops who are now armed 24/7 as a result of civil demands, when confronted by a 'bravado youth' armed with an imitation weapon, shoot him dead and are publically hung drawn and quartered by the same civil demand.......  

These issues start and finish at home with parental control.  We are now reaping (in my opinion) the result of an excess of civil libertarians and political correctness gone mad.

Not intended as a catalyst for a keyboard punchup, just my tuppence.....    

[MikeDundee]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

That would be a start definately in my opinion - would certainly deter the bravado idiots who masquerade around with immitation fire arms. Though the hard core would not be deterred I fear.

Lets not get started on the unfortunate cops who are now armed 24/7 as a result of civil demands, when confronted by a 'bravado youth' armed with an imitation weapon, shoot him dead and are publically hung drawn and quartered by the same civil demand.......  
These issues start and finish at home with parental control.  We are now reaping (in my opinion) the result of an excess of civil libertarians and political correctness gone mad.
Not intended as a catalyst for a keyboard punchup, just my tuppence.....    

I have to agree with you on those points .......and the pressures that the current armed cops must be under when faced with such situations prime example is the Brazilian supsected bomber shot in the tube station following a chase. Which in my view that particular incident was by no means the fault of the officers.

[Guppy]

Arm the Police and get tougher on everything .

That would be a start definately in my opinion - would certainly deter the bravado idiots who masquerade around with immitation fire arms. Though the hard core would not be deterred I fear.

Lets not get started on the unfortunate cops who are now armed 24/7 as a result of civil demands, when confronted by a 'bravado youth' armed with an imitation weapon, shoot him dead and are publically hung drawn and quartered by the same civil demand.......  

These issues start and finish at home with parental control.  We are now reaping (in my opinion) the result of an excess of civil libertarians and political correctness gone mad.

Not intended as a catalyst for a keyboard punchup, just my tuppence.....    

Totally agree with you if we ring 999 and want cops to sort all manner of situations why can we not let the officers choose to be armed with proper training as they are the ones who put thier lives at risk every day  

[Ken T]

Trouble is Britain is trapped inside its legal frame work of laws to protect people, eg 'the fact that you have killed someone for no good reason except he was playing football, shall not mean that you shall not get the full benefit of your human rights, which means 3 good meals a day, a comfortable cell, and plenty of time off for good behaviour', while there are plenty of people living below the poverty line on worse conditions than this. I personally feel we should re-adopt the "PUNISH CRIME" attitude, ignore all human rights issues if it is in relation to a crime of violence. They keep complaining about not enough accomodation, hell I could build several in a day. A simple brick out house 5ft by 4ft, no toilet, no bed, a hole for occasional food (Bread and Water Only). Exercise ?, no chance. They have commited a crime, make them regret it. If you make it hard, cold and wet enough, they will not want to go back and hence change their views, which is surely the end aim. Surely its the parents who have not looked after their kids. When my kids were growing up, I had a lot of work away from home on, but my Wife was brilliant in looking after them, and we always knew what the kids were doing. I got them computers, so they could invite their friends round to play games (Atari Rules!), so we knew what they were up to, instead of  walking the streets. I mean the cost of a computer is nothing compared to your kids welfare, plus it prepares them for the future. You see this, kids hanging around street corners, doing nothing, what sort of education is that?. When for the sake of a couple of old PC that are prob getting thrown out, you could give them a new interest and prepare them for the future.
I am renovating an old property at present, and you see the local kids hanging around, with nothing better to do. Recently, one had a gun, I think it was a BB gun, cause it was too big to be real. Trouble is this is his "right of passage", he is now A Man cause he has handled a gun, not real but... Trouble is kids have nothing to aim for. When I started out, I managed to buy a house (big mortgauge!) and got married. Todays kids have got no chance of raising the £100K plus to buy even a tiny starter home, and that's in Bradford, the further south you go the price goes up, so what hope do they have ?. Life is too complicated with no plan for the future, the government are incompetent at doing anything, except agreeing to the USA, so there is no direction to things. We need to lead our young people, show them the way things should be done, and the potential positive future that could be there.

[Tafty]

Trouble is Britain is trapped inside its legal frame work of laws to protect people, eg 'the fact that you have killed someone for no good reason except he was playing football, shall not mean that you shall not get the full benefit of your human rights, which means 3 good meals a day, a comfortable cell, and plenty of time off for good behaviour', while there are plenty of people living below the poverty line on worse conditions than this. I personally feel we should re-adopt the "PUNISH CRIME" attitude, ignore all human rights issues if it is in relation to a crime of violence. They keep complaining about not enough accomodation, hell I could build several in a day. A simple brick out house 5ft by 4ft, no toilet, no bed, a hole for occasional food (Bread and Water Only). Exercise ?, no chance. They have commited a crime, make them regret it. If you make it hard, cold and wet enough, they will not want to go back and hence change their views, which is surely the end aim. Surely its the parents who have not looked after their kids. When my kids were growing up, I had a lot of work away from home on, but my Wife was brilliant in looking after them, and we always knew what the kids were doing. I got them computers, so they could invite their friends round to play games (Atari Rules!), so we knew what they were up to, instead of  walking the streets. I mean the cost of a computer is nothing compared to your kids welfare, plus it prepares them for the future. You see this, kids hanging around street corners, doing nothing, what sort of education is that?. When for the sake of a couple of old PC that are prob getting thrown out, you could give them a new interest and prepare them for the future.
I am renovating an old property at present, and you see the local kids hanging around, with nothing better to do. Recently, one had a gun, I think it was a BB gun, cause it was too big to be real. Trouble is this is his "right of passage", he is now A Man cause he has handled a gun, not real but... Trouble is kids have nothing to aim for. When I started out, I managed to buy a house (big mortgage!) and got married. Todays kids have got no chance of raising the £100K plus to buy even a tiny starter home, and that's in Bradford, the further south you go the price goes up, so what hope do they have ?. Life is too complicated with no plan for the future, the government are incompetent at doing anything, except agreeing to the USA, so there is no direction to things. We need to lead our young people, show them the way things should be done, and the potential positive future that could be there.

Excellent post and concur with everything you've said above. Although there is also the issue within cities of the significant reduction of the number playing fields available for kids to play on - my own upbringing was surrounded by lots of playing fields and I lived in the heart of Liverpool - which sadly these fields are now built on by supermarkets, housing estates etc etc etc.  The whole situation is a travesty.

[Golfbuddy]

I'm afraid there is no solution to this problem. We lit the 'blue touch' paper in the 70's and 80's when we let the loony lefties rule the roost with their 'poor little darlings' sob stories. It started in the schools, when they took the emphasis away from discipline and placed it on self expression, and then they got their hands on the criminal justice system and made the rights of the criminal more pressing than the rights of the victim.

The bomb has gone off and there is nothing anyone can do to stop its fallout I'm afraid. Things will get steadily worse for the next 10 to 15 years whilst this generation of odious yobs with their fake accents and cowardly ways destroy the fabric of our society.

Batten down the hatches everyone, or move away from the cities, because this is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

[DaveL]

A shocking situation, the more the Liberals get their way the more this will be the 'norm'.

Get parenting classes going. Teach good manners again and respect. Throw out the 'human rights' part of the legislation, or at least for the ones that have committed a crime. What about the rights of the victim or their family?

As Bruce said we are now reaping what society has sown over the recent years. Laws have no 'bite' now with the 'rewards' given to the criminal and the victim gets left behind.

It is no wonder that the public and Police have such a rancid feeling about the courts. Where is the old adage of punishment fitting the crime?

Read in paper up here in Scotland that one of the councils here are 'hiring' 7 to 8 year olds as investigators of anti social behaviour. Is this going down the road of the start of 'Big Brother' dealing with society? Yes it will teach them responsibilities but it is the adults that need that training as well.