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[cem_devecioglu]

Next Week I plan to buy xenon set .Today I go and check the sets.Seems philips is the best option in availables.

Choice is 6000 K.

Any advice please .. :-/

[davlad22]

Never seen a 'philips' Xenon HID set? We are talking the full kit here? Not sure it will be genuine? Any links?

I have just fitted HID's to the CD and I have to say they are the DOGS   Will never look back again and won't bother wasting money on expensive +30%, +50? etc etc. These are the ONLY way to go!

The 'bosch' branded kit I used (even though I suspect very 'forged') were superb quality from a guy direct in Japan, top guy, top product, TOP service. No import taxes and can actually speak English!

Sorry about this sounding like and advert, it isn't, but i'm so pleased with the outcome and they installed and absolute treat, i'm gonna do a cheeky 'how-to' so that everybody knows the score. If you wanna drop me a PM I will send you a link. 74 squid all in.

The only thing I do think, 6000 k is possibly just a little bit too blue for my liking, looks pretty classy but i'm convinced there are whiter (4300 k  are factory spec) so i'm going to buy some more bulbs from the same guy (keep the others as spares) when I will also buy a H7 kit for my MK4 astra and give that a try  

[cem_devecioglu]

Thanks davlad22..

As original lights are weak I decided to change..
First I ask the original omega equipment front lights,ballasts and apparats from the vx/opel dealer
total price is "750 £ converted".. phew  

After I decided to use ready kits without lenses..

Chinese kits are cheap 35-40 £.But not reliable..


Philips set is also a bit expensive. approx.240 £.from the philips distributor directly
I hope its original..

http://www.geceucusu.com/mods/xenon/1/ (4200 K)

My problem is that

I hear from friends some of the kits light the EML on..

Some say without lenses xenon disturb the other drivers too much..

some say lenses are very hard to correctly assemble etc..

So I'm  scared a bit.. :-/

[omega18]

I was under the impression that a after market HID setup that is not OE ie does not have the washers or the auto levellers would be illegal and would fail the mot?  :-/
I suppose if you car already had headlight washers then they would be fine to install?

Karl

[cem_devecioglu]

Thanks Karl..

Here the "MOT" is not that critic..If was, believe me too many cars would be out of traffic..

At the beginning I wanted the original with washers and auto levelers but price make it impossible..

[omega18]

oops hadn't noticed you weren't in ol' blighty!  

[davlad22]

Right! The kit I used does NOT bring on the EML light, nor does it cause any problens with the 'check control' display. Spot on.

The law states that Xenon HID lights, when factory fitted, require auto levelling and headlamp washers. Levelling so that other drivers are not blinded and washers, because the performance is supposed to degrade more with dirt on the lenses, let me tell you, it doesn't! Aftermarket fitment, well there isn't really any legal documentation? Mr DTM says upon reading the MOT testers guide he also cannot find any reference to aftermarket fitment.

Truth be told, I believe that the xenon system causes LESS glare than bright halogens, which seem to spill light all over. Legality, this is a very grey area, you are not going to get sent to prison for it and the surely the worst that you can recieve is a 'producer' asking you to put the car back standard, that would be if the police officer was getting REALLY shirty!?! Realistically though, with the number of vehicles with xenon lights being increasingly popular, you'd have to be VERY unlucky to get stopped, unless they were faulty.

Headlamp washers, pretty sure they'd be easy enough to fit, all the wiring is present on our CD spec so it would be a case of getting the bits together (quite pricey!), pipework, pump and washer jets. Not found reason to as yet.

Don't be scared! I'll get the 'How to' up a.s.a.p. but it really is VERY easy and mine is a VERY tidy job!

H1 is the fitment you require but here is the link to a guy I purchased mine from in Japan, absolutely reliable;

http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZflea_mark

There's a few people on here that have passed the UK MOT with them and I haven't heard from anybody whose car has failed?

Price wise, I don't think i'd go below about £70 atm just to be sure I was getting a degree of quality. I also believe it is safer to see where you're going, just make sure the lights have a good beam pattern when installed and are not adjusted high. Mine are pin sharp and haven't been flashed once.

[TheBoy]

I was under the impression that a after market HID setup that is not OE ie does not have the washers or the auto levellers would be illegal and would fail the mot?  :-/
I suppose if you car already had headlight washers then they would be fine to install?

Karl

Illegal, probably. MOT fail, probably not.  (Assuming UK obviously)

It really is a very grey area...

[davlad22]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Not sure on what terms it is illegal? If you can find a law i'd be pleased to have a read!

I think it is much safer than modifying the performance of your car!

[TheBoy]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Not sure on what terms it is illegal? If you can find a law i'd be pleased to have a read!

I think it is much safer than modifying the performance of your car!

When a car is designed, it has to go through a series of tests, and meet certain rules (things like headlights have to be a certain height, mirrors have to be within so many degrees of normal viewing etc), many of which are not MOT checks.

Some of those related to HIDs are:
The headlights must have very fast acting levelling system (to keep lights from dazzling down bumpy roads, and to overcome loading issues).
The headlights must have a cleaning system, as HIDs are adversely affected by small amounts of traffic grime on the lenses, moreso than halogens.

[TheBoy]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Not sure on what terms it is illegal? If you can find a law i'd be pleased to have a read!

I think it is much safer than modifying the performance of your car!

Illegal probably wrong word - not roadworthy, hence illegal to use on public roads.

[cem_devecioglu]

Thanks everybody..

The price 54 £ really is cheap..

Now the only question is where it must be connected direclty from the battery or from the front light sockets..

As I understand some people use front light sockets (vx/opel dealer)  and some use the battery (little harder)  and I think power from the battery directly is more safe...Will see soon.Now will go and talk with the guys..

[davlad22]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Not sure on what terms it is illegal? If you can find a law i'd be pleased to have a read!

I think it is much safer than modifying the performance of your car!

Illegal probably wrong word - not roadworthy, hence illegal to use on public roads.

Aye, I was gonna say! If they were illegal people would not be allowed to sell them. Interestingly TB, I found a massive amount of glare to drivers in front with the suggested Philips Vision Plus 50% installed in the projectors (for very little gain). There is nothing like the same level of annoyance with these HID's - tell me I am biased!   If I considered them to be in any way dangerous, I would certainly NOT be recommending then or putting anybody's lives at risk by dazzling other motorists UNLIKE the factory fit BMW X5 (and similar) lights which ALWAYS annoy people!

Cem, I think you've literally got your wires crossed! Perhaps you are referring to upgrading the wiring with relays for standard halogens, this is completely different. The ballast packs simply take the feed from the 2 original spade/clip connectors inside the headlamp housing. No additional wiring is necessary, they only draw very low current so do not require direct connection to the battery.

I wouldn't say £54 (approx £75 with delivery) is really cheap but I think they are superb quality for the money. I wouldn't go any cheaper.

[cem_devecioglu]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Not sure on what terms it is illegal? If you can find a law i'd be pleased to have a read!

I think it is much safer than modifying the performance of your car!

Illegal probably wrong word - not roadworthy, hence illegal to use on public roads.

Aye, I was gonna say! If they were illegal people would not be allowed to sell them. Interestingly TB, I found a massive amount of glare to drivers in front with the suggested Philips Vision Plus 50% installed in the projectors (for very little gain). There is nothing like the same level of annoyance with these HID's - tell me I am biased!   If I considered them to be in any way dangerous, I would certainly NOT be recommending then or putting anybody's lives at risk by dazzling other motorists UNLIKE the factory fit BMW X5 (and similar) lights which ALWAYS annoy people!

Cem, I think you've literally got your wires crossed! Perhaps you are referring to upgrading the wiring with relays for standard halogens, this is completely different. The ballast packs simply take the feed from the 2 original spade/clip connectors inside the headlamp housing. No additional wiring is necessary, they only draw very low current so do not require direct connection to the battery.

I wouldn't say £54 (approx £75 with delivery) is really cheap but I think they are superb quality for the money. I wouldn't go any cheaper.

I see aftermarket results dont disturb the people like the extra 100 Watt halogens or new generation bright halogens if the level is not up.

Yep.Normally they draw lower current but only in start up I hear can reach 7-7.5 amp  for 1-2 secs which scared me..After a search yesterday (and asking many electricians)  I'm convinced its not necessary to use extra wiring..

Thanks for your interest...

[davlad22]

Correct, no extra wiring required. The 'startup' is a very 'soft' start and as you say, although it draws extra current initially, it draws approx 1/3rd during normal running (I think that's correct).

Any extra current draw is not a problem because as you know, you would start the engine first then switch on the lights with the engine running, not a problem. They also work with the engine switched off.

If you want to PM me your email address, I will gladly forward some photographs of the work and installation process. Also shows how simple the wiring is. EASY!

I had the same reservations as you but having done it, tis the only way!