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oh S*** im in trouble
« on: 05 October 2006, 01:28:16 »
 :'(just changed the timing belt and now the car wont start. done a paperclip and im getting back:

  • 136 Engine Control Unit (ECU)

132 EGR valve Incorrect signal
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WTF!!!!???

cant see anything that i have touched, moved or frayed wiring wise whilst doing the belt.
you guys suggest anything please? need this rectifying.... please  :(
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #1 on: 05 October 2006, 08:28:20 »
Hmmm sounds to me like something is not plugged back in.
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #2 on: 05 October 2006, 08:35:23 »
Three things to check as a starter.

The main engine earth and earth connection below the battery.
The Two large round engine multiplugs behind the battery.
The ECU main connector is fully in and home.
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #3 on: 05 October 2006, 18:49:21 »
well when the problems were realised last night, the engine would turn over happily (albeit a bit fast) but no ignition, DIS pack is brand new, so is the fuel pump. However the haynes book of lies said about a possible crankshaft failure and tbh i am really tempted to believe it. as it seems that there is nothing that the crank pulley is moving internally. even though its spinning (along with all the accociated bits.)

will try the suggestions that MarksDTM put forward and see if i have any luck.  :( hope so, as i could do with the car tommorow for work. (aint gettin the bus again. wayyyy too many charves  >:()
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #4 on: 05 October 2006, 19:08:23 »
Check TIS, and 136 is 'unknown final stage error' and suggests switching off ignition and restarting test, unless you also have a 55 which means change ECU

So check wiring, probably something not plugged in, or 2 plugs transposed...
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #5 on: 05 October 2006, 22:36:42 »
Don't sweat matey.

If it was running before, there is no serious reason for it not to run again!

If you had not timed it up right, to the extent it would not start, then you'd bend valves etc and the engine wouldn't turn freely as it does.

Because it turns fast suggests you have a good battery that's all. If there was any internal engine damage the crank pully would NOT turn freely as you describe!

Plus, the fault codes you post indicate something electrical not plugged in.

Keep at it, you'll find something...

And I bet you a  [smiley=beer.gif] it will be something simple :)
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #6 on: 05 October 2006, 22:37:15 »
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or 2 plugs transposed...

This is what my money's on...
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #7 on: 06 October 2006, 01:39:30 »
well in terms of the transposure lol. IIRC the intake air temp sensor is the white one? and the multiram valve is the black  :-/ i know the MAF is in the right place as it doesnt fit anywhere else. the list of plugs i removed is as folows:

- MAF
- Intake air temp
- O/S bank cam sensor
- EGR valve
- Multiram solenoid (beteween the silver main butterfly valve on the multiram and the block)
- Sec. Air injection valve (mounted on a bracket on the rad)

i dont recall moving any others. and have checked all the above. i did originally get a code 31 (but i already know that it is due to the engine not running.) and a code for the Sec Air injection valve but remedied the as the plug wasn't on properly. have also had the MAF etc, loom plug off from near the batt, checked it and enured it (and the others) were securely connected.

my worry is that the car was running ok prior to the idler failing. have had the crank turning (by hand) once the belt was fitted, and there was no resistance at any point so i can only assumethe valves are ok. (boy was i lucky)

dont know if this further info helps with any possible diagnosis  :-[

cheers for everyones input (keep it coming though haha)
Rob.
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« Reply #8 on: 06 October 2006, 06:53:13 »
Hmmm, you got a code 31 and never mentioned that?

I know me and Jaime disagree on this, but don't discount the crank sensor...
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #9 on: 06 October 2006, 09:41:13 »
If you transpose the air intake temp and front multiram, it will flag up an 'air intake temp sensor high input' apparently  :-[ - because of course, I've never done that  :-[ ;)

As LB66 hinted, we disagree on the crank codes, but I don't think you have a crank sensor failure.

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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #10 on: 06 October 2006, 09:42:58 »
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I know me and Jaime disagree on this, but don't discount the crank sensor...
LB66, if you're coming to Santa Pod, I'll be more than happy to bring Tech2 and show you 31 is normal...
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #11 on: 06 October 2006, 11:25:02 »
Jaime, you know I am coming, and we can "discuss" the merits of both codes, then both shut up when Mark tells us which is correct!  ;D
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #12 on: 06 October 2006, 11:27:48 »
When you say 'it turned over with no resistance' Do you mean exactly that, or that it had the normal resistance against compression?
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #13 on: 06 October 2006, 13:51:57 »
I am worried here.......

If it spins freely then you are down on compression.......thats not good.

What was the belt timing when you took the cam cover off......had the belt jumped teeth, any teeth missing etc?

When you turned the crand by hand was the timing belt fitted?

Concerned of Beeston......
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Re: oh S*** im in trouble
« Reply #14 on: 06 October 2006, 14:12:47 »
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my worry is that the car was running ok prior to the idler failing. have had the crank turning (by hand) once the belt was fitted, and there was no resistance at any point so i can only assumethe valves are ok. (boy was i lucky)

Rob.

This suggests to me that the belt was fitted when turning by hand.

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