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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #30 on: 24 September 2007, 21:54:40 »

Had a car a few years ago that the track rod end parted company  :o, I sh*t myself steering became almost none existent, fortunately I was only dong 30 mph. If it had happened 30 seconds later I would have been doing 70 mph  :o :o
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #31 on: 24 September 2007, 22:02:46 »

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Had a car a few years ago that the track rod end parted company  :o, I sh*t myself steering became almost none existent, fortunately I was only dong 30 mph. If it had happened 30 seconds later I would have been doing 70 mph  :o :o
i was lucky and sounds like you where, it just shows you if cars are not proppelly serviced and maintaned they are death traps :y :y :y

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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #32 on: 24 September 2007, 22:07:59 »

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if a cop needs to "play" with a new patrol car, they should be able to use a closed track, apart from that, regardless of the power of cars, speed limits are purely a safety measure

I have a mate who trained as a police driver and I remember him saying that the single high speed part of his training was completed on the a public motorway, with an instructor sat beside him (2 eyes on the road ahead), after stopping the traffic behind and with a car a few miles ahead, in radio contact, looking for hazards. Even then they called it off at around 130 IIRC.

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Wasn`t there a west mercia traffic officer who did something very similar a while back and after appealing didnt he get his licence back and keep his job?

In contrast, he was on a seemingly quiet bit of road, bored, alone, at night, and decided to "see what it would do". If the reported facts are correct (and who knows if they are?) it's a shame he wasn't made an example of, TBH. There are plenty of occasions when I've been tempted to "see what it can do" with little prospect of getting caught but the potential consequences, aside from the legal implications, are too much to risk IMHO. One piece of debris on the road sufficient to take out a tyre and it's goodnight Vienna. Regardless of how well trained the driver is, the smallest failure will cause death in such circumstances.

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After all there are no limits on large chunks of the Autobahn network.

And having driven on them I can't imagine how they aren't carnage. Same tailgating, drifting out into a lane without looking, etc as drivers practice here in the UK, but at 120 MPH instead of 80. In fact, after a brief stint at 120 on an autobahn I was convinced that there is a very dangerous mixture of egos at play. Those who drive nads out in (usually) a Merc and tailgate the car in front regardless of speed and the disapproving tree huggers who pull out in front of them at 60 from behind a lorry to prove a point.

172 on a dual carriageway with junctions, crossings, etc. though!  :o  >:(

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Re: My HERO!!!!
« Reply #33 on: 24 September 2007, 22:11:16 »

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Wasn`t there a west mercia traffic officer who did something very similar a while back and after appealing didnt he get his licence back and keep his job?

This one? clicky

If Tim Brady had been driving past a Gatso he might have got away with it. clicky

The whole blanket approach of speed kills really does wear thin. 30 mph in a 30 limit past a school at 4 o'clock is probably too fast, whereas 100 mph in a 150 mph car on the M6/1/62/61/etc in the early hours is probably perfectly safe.  I don't know enough about the 172 in a Porche case to comment.
Mechanical failure could kill you just as easily at legal speeds as it could at autobahn speeds.
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #34 on: 24 September 2007, 22:16:43 »

hasn't it been said that the limitless autobahns are a bad idea anyway?
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #35 on: 24 September 2007, 22:19:53 »

Mechanical failure could kill you just as easily at legal speeds as it could at autobahn speeds.

if people want to kill them self's fine ,but shouldn't they be thinking about other people,and most drivers do not have the abillity to drive the speed limit never mind over the speed limit :y :y :y
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #36 on: 24 September 2007, 22:36:52 »

quite right

i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...

no alcohol AT ALL, a year's tuition before test

not too sure about the raising of driving age because some young people might need to drive to uni and stuff and public transport could be impractical
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« Reply #37 on: 24 September 2007, 22:39:36 »

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quite right

i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...

no alcohol AT ALL, a year's tuition before test

not too sure about the raising of driving age because some young people might need to drive to uni and stuff and public transport could be impractical
spot on :y

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« Reply #38 on: 24 September 2007, 22:49:19 »

Personally, I think the guy's a complete prat and will get what he deserves in the slammer.

There is one point in all this though and that is the hackneyed expression that "Speed Kills". Always used, of course, to back up any Gatso or Talivan operation to which we all cry "foul" when they nab us.

In my view, speed does not kill per se, but has the potential to make any RTA worse than it would have been without the speed. The cause of most accidents, IMHO can be put down to (in no particular order):

1) Inattention
(fiddling with mobile, stereo etc.)
2) Aggression
(tailgating, undertaking, running red lights) etc.
3) Lack of experience
(young drivers suffer a far higher rate of RTAs)
4) Lack of knowledge of a vehicle's operation in adverse weather  
(rain, fog, snow)
5) Inability to read the road ahead, anticipating danger
(Used to be in the Police Roadcraft manual. Most drivers merely watch the vehicles in front of them, not the vehicles/road hazards further ahead)
6) Inappropriate speed
Especially round housing estates, schools etc. The limit may well be 30, but driving at 30 with vehicles parked on either side of a narrow street may well be unsafe, as the dangers (children running out between cars) cannot be seen until it is too late for avoidance.
7) Falling asleep/dozing at the wheel
(Once knew someone who fell off the M4 when he decided to have a bit of shuteye)
8) Overloading
(I'm getting sick of reading of stories of 5 and 6 people killed/injured when a small hatchback hits a tree.
9) Poor vehicle maintenance
 (I've very nearly been hit by an exhaust system falling of a Fiesta in the outside lane of the M1 at 70mph).

 
In most of these cases, except maybe 6), it's not the speed itself that kills. Who is the greatest danger? Someone driving at a 30mph speed limit on a suburban road while making a mobile phone call and driving with one hand, or someone doing 80mph on the motorway with complete concentration, both hands on the wheel and a safe distance behind the vehicle in front. Applying the Speed Kills motto in isolation would suggest that the second is more dangerous than the first. It's a pity the police seem to concentarte their efforts on speeding alone.

Finally, we have catastrophic failure. Assuming a vehicle is well maintained, such an event should be rare,but it is still possible to have a blow-out even with a new tyre. Look at Richard Hammond's crash.

Forgetting the traffic and the 2 o'clock in the morning argument, this prat in the Porsche was operating outside the vehicle's safety window in that the road was not guaranteed to be debris-free and the tyres were operating at the limit of their rating. A crash at that speed would almost certainly have caused a roll and debris would have impacted at high speed with oncoming vehicles on the opposing carriageway. In this case, the excessive speed would likely have killed if anything had gone wrong.

As far as the officer's comments, I know what you mean. Perhaps he should have said "..and I would like to warn those who want to drive at excessive speeds to consider prison shower blocks before they do so". That would work! ;)        
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #39 on: 24 September 2007, 22:50:57 »

Forgot to mention:

Drink/drugs, which cause inattention and reduced reaction times.
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #40 on: 24 September 2007, 23:02:24 »

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quite right

i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...
Just as long as it applies to someone else?  ;)  ;)  ;)


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...... a year's tuition before test  
I'm sure that BSM/RAC would be in full agreement with that one.
That would just add another level of bureaucracy to what is already overkill on trying to pass your test. eg As far as I can see the speed awareness test is a complete waste of time - surely an instructor/examiner can better assess a pupli than guessing what & where the hazards are on a bloody video.
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #41 on: 24 September 2007, 23:23:41 »

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quite right

i'm all for these new laws to be introduced to probationary drivers...
Just as long as it applies to someone else?  ;)  ;)  ;)

haha yeah! ;D

but then maybe I would still have full no claims if i'd been subject to stricter rules :y
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Re: My HERO!!!! or (Maybe Not)
« Reply #42 on: 25 September 2007, 21:02:31 »

Today, I've been privy to a police compound...

Only last week, we had a serious "fatac" in our locality, a small Nissan car had a head on with a truck..  don't know the full story, other than the trucks taco says all ok with the trucks speed, knowing the hauliers reputation I doubt that there would be any probs with the truck anyway etc..  I've looked closely at the vehicles in question, aparently the incidental speed was about 80 mph on impact, in my opinion had it have been a bigger car i.e. Mondeo or Omega there would have been a higher chance of survival.  It's fair to say that the crumple zone had absorbed in excess of it's capacity.  God bless the driver..  


Another miraculous incident became aparent too,  an Astra had frontal heavy damage and frontal roof damage, first impressions were confirmed, it had run into the rear of an artic trailer!  No airbags had deployed!  It turns out that the truck was travelling at 56mph at the time, the car had presumably been doing around 90mph at hte time of impact....  all SIX of them in the car were pi55ed... a tru miracle, superficial scratches and bruising....  


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