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Locking wheel nuts
« on: 20 January 2008, 16:57:29 »

Hi,

I took my mv6 to Kwik Fits yesterday to get the wheels balanced. After a while I got a phone call to say they couldn't get the locking wheel nuts off because they'd been done up too tight  >:(

I had a look at the bolts before driving off to make sure they hadn't stripped them and they haven't. I was tempted to have a go at getting the nuts off with a very large bar but thought I had better ask for advice first. Does anyone have any tips or tricks for getting the locking nuts off?

Once I get them, off they are going in the bin  ;D
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #1 on: 20 January 2008, 17:00:25 »

If you have the proper keynut it should be quite straightforward to remove.  Large bar should do it.

The local KF probably has had a series of cack handed fitters mullering the locking nuts and having to pay out for replacement sets.....
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #2 on: 20 January 2008, 17:08:24 »

if the locking nuts are on Soooooooo tight they will not want to try and remove them incase they snap the locking key or damage the locking nut, as they will be liable to drill the old locking nuts to get them off, they are just covering their own backs.

I bet some monkey has but you locking nuts on with a wheely gun in the past
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #3 on: 20 January 2008, 17:11:07 »

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if the locking nuts are on Soooooooo tight they will not want to try and remove them incase they snap the locking key or damage the locking nut, as they will be liable to drill the old locking nuts to get them off, they are just covering their own backs.

I bet some monkey has but you locking nuts on with a wheely gun in the past


most garages do, but the air guns do not tighten the wheel nuts tightly, and should be tightned by hand after using the gun with a torque wrench!
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #4 on: 20 January 2008, 17:14:55 »

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if the locking nuts are on Soooooooo tight they will not want to try and remove them incase they snap the locking key or damage the locking nut, as they will be liable to drill the old locking nuts to get them off, they are just covering their own backs.

I bet some monkey has but you locking nuts on with a wheely gun in the past


most garages do, but the air guns do not tighten the wheel nuts tightly, and should be tightned by hand after using the gun with a torque wrench!

Not In the garages i have been to as i will not let them use the gun i make them do it by hand
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #5 on: 20 January 2008, 17:15:43 »

yep i dont blame you!
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #6 on: 20 January 2008, 17:16:36 »

Ive got one on the drive that got a wheel nut thats to tight and its furbard the key  :(

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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #7 on: 20 January 2008, 17:22:09 »

As you probably already know, the locking nut 'key' only goes fully on in one position, but is then usually secure enough to take the wrench. Just like the other bolts, the chamfered faces can create a lot of resistance and usually give way with quite a crack. I always apply a small amount of vaseline to these faces on re-tightening to prevent that problem in the future, but there is a small danger that they can be over torqued because of the reduced resistance. I always torque to 110Nm, and stop immediately the wrench clicks.
I have sometimes had to get someone, (not the wife), to apply pressure onto the socket with a piece of timber or similar to keep fingers out of the way whilst I use an extendable bar as carefully as possible. They should then give up the ghost without too much trouble.
I suppose the next alternative has to be an impact air tool, but it shouldn't really be necessary.
I did once watch Kwik fit use a piece of scaffolding as a lever on a van I had, and when the bolts gave way on that occasion it was like a gun going off.
Good luck.
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #8 on: 20 January 2008, 17:23:30 »

Thanks guys.

I'm sure that the previous person who put the front wheels on used a gun too  >:( I know who it was and I since found out that particular garage has a really bad reputation for bodged jobs and con tricks. I won't be using them again. If the wheel nuts were regular nuts I wouldn't think twice about jumping on the end of a really large bar to free the nuts off. Must get those damned locking nuts off and then throw them away. The locking nuts are after market items fitted by previous owner.

If I had realised they were on the car I would have binned them as I have heard horror stories with rounded off locking nuts that required a use of a grinder to remove the alloys :o
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #9 on: 20 January 2008, 17:24:39 »

i use a small smear of copper ease on each bolt before replacing them, ive never had this problem and never had any wheels drop off!
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« Reply #10 on: 20 January 2008, 17:27:48 »

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Ive got one on the drive that got a wheel nut thats to tight and its furbard the key  :(


 :( How do you plan to get the wheel off then?

I can't afford the cost of a new set of alloys and tyres on top of mechanics time to grind the alloys off.  :(
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #11 on: 20 January 2008, 17:30:50 »

i have a spare set of 4 mcgaurd bolts and key if anyone needs a replacement in vergood condition
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #12 on: 20 January 2008, 17:33:36 »

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Ive got one on the drive that got a wheel nut thats to tight and its furbard the key  :(


 :( How do you plan to get the wheel off then?

I can't afford the cost of a new set of alloys and tyres on top of mechanics time to grind the alloys off.  :(

Centre punch and then drill starting with a small drill bit and work my way up. The wheels are Irmscher MV6 and in excellent condition so I will have too be carefull ;)
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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #13 on: 20 January 2008, 17:56:36 »

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Ive got one on the drive that got a wheel nut thats to tight and its furbard the key  :(


 :( How do you plan to get the wheel off then?

I can't afford the cost of a new set of alloys and tyres on top of mechanics time to grind the alloys off.  :(

Centre punch and then drill starting with a small drill bit and work my way up. The wheels are Irmscher MV6 and in excellent condition so I will have too be carefull ;)

Been there.... Done that......

Once you have worked up a few drill bits the tension is relieved and a decent bar and a few hammer taps and they are off.
No good trying to hammer on a socket because the collars are free spinning on the VX ones.

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Re: Locking wheel nuts
« Reply #14 on: 20 January 2008, 18:01:49 »

Depending on the locking wheel nuts, you could try these

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_196491_langId_-1_categoryId_71555

But as said above they are no good on the Vauxhall ones as they have a spinning collar :(
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