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Failure to Launch
« on: 22 June 2008, 00:08:47 »

Is it just mine or are these cars pigs out of the hole??

I love my little 98 Cat but in the take off it is more of a slip out than a jack rabbit, hell my wife's Toyota with a 1.6 jumps out faster and beats me by ½ a car before I can start to catch her.

Peeling rubber seems impossible.

I though my cams might be a touch advance but my mechanic said no way, off by even one tooth and the computer makes a fuss.

If this is common how/can I do any thing to fix it?

Also do these cars run the same ECM over seas?? And can I swap one and get more performance and gas mileage over these sticking US Tunes?

Rich
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #1 on: 22 June 2008, 00:31:20 »

0-60 should be around 8 seconds....

check if you have an air leak, or your multi rams are working properly :y
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #2 on: 22 June 2008, 01:09:03 »

Do you have an engine management light on?  

Does the engine management light up if you put the ignition to position 2?  If it doesn't the engine management light has been removed.  The car sounds like it is in LOS (Limited Operation Strategy) mode.  
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #3 on: 22 June 2008, 03:10:58 »

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Is it just mine or are these cars pigs out of the hole??

I love my little 98 Cat but in the take off it is more of a slip out than a jack rabbit, hell my wife's Toyota with a 1.6 jumps out faster and beats me by ½ a car before I can start to catch her.

Peeling rubber seems impossible.

I though my cams might be a touch advance but my mechanic said no way, off by even one tooth and the computer makes a fuss.

If this is common how/can I do any thing to fix it?

Also do these cars run the same ECM over seas?? And can I swap one and get more performance and gas mileage over these sticking US Tunes?

Rich

What engine options do you have in the States. 4 pot, V6.  2.0. 2.5 or 3.0.  which one is yours?  Auto or manual? Petrol or diesel?

0-60 mph with approx 1600 kg od motor car?

Heavy car to get moving, but once moving the overtaking speeds and crusing speeds shock a lot of people as they do it so effortlesly.

Sport mode and turning the TC off can have some interesting results in the tyre shredding department, allthough it does depend on tyres, road serface and weather conditions.

Hope this helps, as we find out more about tour car the more we can compare notes and help identfify problems.  :y
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #4 on: 22 June 2008, 10:59:22 »

Cam timing can be 2 - 3 teeth out (then valve damage!), and engine ecu won't complain.

Is it the autobox slipping?
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #5 on: 22 June 2008, 11:56:13 »

I think the Catera has less BHP the the Omega due to emission control, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #6 on: 22 June 2008, 12:21:12 »

I'm not really surprised as the meega is never quick off the line: not meant to be, cannot be given its weight...  as someone else has said, where it excels is mid range to top end acceleration/speed.  sort of struck me really cos i was overtaken on the M5 last night by a rather old meega - he/she must have bee doing 130 plus at the time
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #7 on: 22 June 2008, 12:27:25 »

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I'm not really surprised as the meega is never quick off the line: not meant to be, cannot be given its weight...  as someone else has said, where it excels is mid range to top end acceleration/speed.  sort of struck me really cos i was overtaken on the M5 last night by a rather old meega - he/she must have bee doing 130 plus at the time


Lizzie Zoom, perhaps!!!  ;D
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #8 on: 22 June 2008, 15:03:50 »

IME, it takes a lot of effort to get the car moving, but the midrange is astonishing... it is a big heavy car.
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #9 on: 24 June 2008, 04:51:51 »

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Do you have an engine management light on?  

Does the engine management light up if you put the ignition to position 2?  If it doesn't the engine management light has been removed.  The car sounds like it is in LOS (Limited Operation Strategy) mode.  


I do not know what you asking...
it does have a sport setting..

Oh are you asking about the check engine light?? All is good no faults.

How can I check for LOS?

Rich
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #10 on: 24 June 2008, 04:57:06 »

What engine options do you have in the States. 4 pot, V6.  2.0. 2.5 or 3.0.  which one is yours?  Auto or manual? Petrol or diesel?

3.0 200 HP Gas, 4 speed auto.


0-60 mph with approx 1600 kg od motor car?

Heavy car to get moving, but once moving the overtaking speeds and crusing speeds shock a lot of people as they do it so effortlesly.

Sport mode and turning the TC off can have some interesting results in the tyre shredding department, allthough it does depend on tyres, road serface and weather conditions.

Seems to help some but still no neck snapper...]

Hope this helps, as we find out more about tour car the more we can compare notes and help identfify problems.  :y
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Runs up to 6500 right smartly after it kicks in the open plemmium at 4000.

I just was shocked to drive the little Toyola and have it snap my neck at every take off.

Rich
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #11 on: 24 June 2008, 06:10:36 »

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I'm not really surprised as the meega is never quick off the line: not meant to be, cannot be given its weight...  as someone else has said, where it excels is mid range to top end acceleration/speed.  sort of struck me really cos i was overtaken on the M5 last night by a rather old meega - he/she must have bee doing 130 plus at the time

No!  It was NOT me, I was nowhere near the M5!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #12 on: 24 June 2008, 06:33:21 »

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Is it just mine or are these cars pigs out of the hole??

I love my little 98 Cat but in the take off it is more of a slip out than a jack rabbit, hell my wife's Toyota with a 1.6 jumps out faster and beats me by ½ a car before I can start to catch her.
Peeling rubber seems impossible.

I though my cams might be a touch advance but my mechanic said no way, off by even one tooth and the computer makes a fuss.

If this is common how/can I do any thing to fix it?

Also do these cars run the same ECM over seas?? And can I swap one and get more performance and gas mileage over these sticking US Tunes?

Rich

I don't know Rich what Toyota your wife has in the States, but up to recently I had a 19 year, 250K, old Carina II Estate with a 1.6 carburetted engine (4AF) which used to take off far quicker than my current Omega and indeed the 3 ltr I had before. :(

As has been stated our GM cars (Omega's in our case) are heavy and take a lot to wind up to a descent speed from standstill, but once moving they can then show their metal and cruise along at speed all day long or until the tank runs dry! :y  With USA speed limits I have found that all you need is a car that cruises effortlessly and has all the refinements on it. :D  

I know a 5.5 ltr Ford Crown Prince Victoria that we hired in Colorado  was so slow, but once you worked it up to the State speed limit it was the best cruiser I have ever driven and the level of toys on it I have never equalled in any other car! But fast it was not! :y :y

In all it is 'horses for courses' and I am sure you know already that  heavy GM cars with low power to weight ratio's will never be fast at accelarating from '0', and certainly never outpace cars with lighter bodyshells and high performance engines. ;)  

All the best  ;) :y
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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #13 on: 24 June 2008, 10:22:19 »

The other thing to bear in mind is that an Omega is geared to reach 150 MPH. This means the gearing is quite tall and, especially on an auto, first gear is not conducive to getting off the line quick.

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Re: Failure to Launch
« Reply #14 on: 24 June 2008, 12:24:12 »

Agreed Kevin..

if there was a manual short ratio 6 instead of auto 4 the launch would be different even with that weight...But to transfer that power on road you need really wide and new tires..

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