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[Dusty]

Recently bought a 2.6 Omega.

I know it has Traction Control, but does it also have an ESP or equivalent system?

By this I mean electronics that can cut power to individual wheels and brake them in order to counter understeer and oversteer.

Or does it just cut power to the rear wheels when they spin?

Thank you
 :-/ :-/

[tunnie]

no ESP on UK models.

TC only.

[Tony H]

Recently bought a 2.6 Omega.

I know it has Traction Control, but does it also have an ESP or equivalent system?

By this I mean electronics that can cut power to individual wheels and brake them in order to counter understeer and oversteer.

Or does it just cut power to the rear wheels when they spin?

Thank you
 :-/ :-/

Yup, the Omega only has t.c

[feeutfo]

TC only. And a bit crude as well if you ask me, but it does work.  

[Andy B]

As far as I understand it, later cars with 4 channel ABS (so why did my earlier Senator already have 4 ABS sensors? ) also use the brakes aswell to curb wheel spin if backing off via the engine ECU isn't enough.

[TheBoy]

post 98 cars apply brake to spinning rear wheel, then cut power if still slipping.

[TheBoy]

As far as I understand it, later cars with 4 channel ABS (so why did my earlier Senator already have 4 ABS sensors? ) also use the brakes aswell to curb wheel spin if backing off via the engine ECU isn't enough.

same reason that all abs cars do - detect locking on any wheel. earlier systems only had 3 channels so released both back brakes together if one rear started to lock

[Andy B]

....same reason that all abs cars do - detect locking on any wheel. earlier systems only had 3 channels so released both back brakes together if one rear started to lock

My 1986 Carlton only had 3 channel ABS so why the apparent step backwards when the Omega appeared, when the Carlton/Senator ABS had progressed to looking at all 4 wheels?
GM couldn't really have saved that much by leaving a sensor off the back - could they?

[Andy B]

....same reason that all abs cars do - detect locking on any wheel. ....

Some cheap run-a-bouts only have 2 channel ABS! ie just on the front wheels    

[TheBoy]

....same reason that all abs cars do - detect locking on any wheel. earlier systems only had 3 channels so released both back brakes together if one rear started to lock

My 1986 Carlton only had 3 channel ABS so why the apparent step backwards when the Omega appeared, when the Carlton/Senator ABS had progressed to looking at all 4 wheels?
GM couldn't really have saved that much by leaving a sensor off the back - could they?

The senator was a 3 channel system.

[Andy B]

....same reason that all abs cars do - detect locking on any wheel. earlier systems only had 3 channels so released both back brakes together if one rear started to lock

My 1986 Carlton only had 3 channel ABS so why the apparent step backwards when the Omega appeared, when the Carlton/Senator ABS had progressed to looking at all 4 wheels?
GM couldn't really have saved that much by leaving a sensor off the back - could they?

The senator was a 3 channel system.

No it wasn't! There was a sensor either side of the diff. Off to find my Senator Haynes!    

You have pm re something else!  

[TheBoy]

....same reason that all abs cars do - detect locking on any wheel. earlier systems only had 3 channels so released both back brakes together if one rear started to lock

My 1986 Carlton only had 3 channel ABS so why the apparent step backwards when the Omega appeared, when the Carlton/Senator ABS had progressed to looking at all 4 wheels?
GM couldn't really have saved that much by leaving a sensor off the back - could they?

The senator was a 3 channel system.

No it wasn't! There was a sensor either side of the diff. Off to find my Senator Haynes!    

You have pm re something else!  

It had 4 sensors to detect if a back wheel was about to skid. But it controlled back wheels together as a pair. So 3 channel. Just like early Omegas (up to MY98).  All Omegas have 4 wheel sensors as well.

[Andy B]

....It had 4 sensors to detect if a back wheel was about to skid. But it controlled back wheels together as a pair. So 3 channel. Just like early Omegas (up to MY98).  All Omegas have 4 wheel sensors as well.

Go then. I'll bow to your superior knowledge!   It's something that I'd just assumed when I saw 4 sensors, the face lift Mk1 Carlton did only have 3. The third was built into the top of the diff & looked at the crownwheel.

[TheBoy]

....It had 4 sensors to detect if a back wheel was about to skid. But it controlled back wheels together as a pair. So 3 channel. Just like early Omegas (up to MY98).  All Omegas have 4 wheel sensors as well.

Go then. I'll bow to your superior knowledge!   It's something that I'd just assumed when I saw 4 sensors, the face lift Mk1 Carlton did only have 3. The third was built into the top of the diff & looked at the crownwheel.

not familar with carlton setup, but that would have to wait for both rears to lock before detection  :-/

[Andy B]

.....not familar with carlton setup, but that would have to wait for both rears to lock before detection  :-/

I'm talking 1986 C reg 2.2 cih Carlton NOT Omega A. Apparently very rare.