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The Cambelt Kid

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2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« on: 15 September 2008, 20:59:39 »

Hi guys,

Ive had a look for this one on the forum but cant find an exact match, so i hope someone can help me pick up my pieces and fix my motor.

The problem is running on petrol.

recently i noticed while starting that there was a slight pause in the middle of cranking, nothing much, just a brief pause and then it started.  It's done this once or twice over the past few weeks.  I drove the car to london on friday night and then back again, although i gave i a right old ragging while on some country roads and then even more on the M25, alfter that i took it easy.

Today i cranked her for the first time since friday and she not starting at all.  Not even a cough!  :(

Me thougn it was low on fuel so put 5L's in and still she wont start.

Does anyone thing the pause while cranking aver the past few weeks has got anything to do with my non-starting problem?

Any help would be great as i am really stuck now.  :'(

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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #1 on: 15 September 2008, 21:06:28 »

My guess would be crank sensor ... have you tried the pedal trick as yours is 2.6 ???

Brake pedal to the floor, accelerator to the floor, switch ignition ON but do NOT start engine ... if no codes EML light flashes continuosly .. if it flashes in bursts, count the EML flashes .. they are in groups of 4 .. and 10 flashes means 0

let us know what you get ... :)
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #2 on: 15 September 2008, 21:08:49 »

crikey (or should i say crankey) i never knew that!

I do have a cheapo code reader and there are no codes but ill go and try this little trick.  Back in a jiffy.
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #3 on: 15 September 2008, 21:13:05 »

Flashes 4 times and then goes out.  Nothing sfter that.

I am gob smacked, i never knew i could do that!
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #4 on: 15 September 2008, 21:18:54 »

mmm don't understand that .... unless the code is 1111 ... and my listing dosn't include such a code .. :(


Confused now .....  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #5 on: 15 September 2008, 21:25:38 »

Me too, i tried many time and it flashes four times and then goes out.

When i returned on friday night it only had 14 miles in the tank, i now remember driving it to B+Q on sunday morning and it then 5-7 miles or so left in the tank.  I had no problems then, i just couldn't be bothered in putting any juice in.

If the tank was bone dry, would 5L's be enough to get the pots firing?
I just put 5L's in and now the pooter says 7 miles.
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #6 on: 15 September 2008, 21:26:13 »

Continual flashing indicates no codes stored.....I assum the ECU light does not flash when trying to start the car.

Any of the LPG wiring look iffy i.e. around the fuel pump relay etc?
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #7 on: 15 September 2008, 21:29:57 »

I have tried removing the power wires for the LPG.  the injector wires still remain though, that would mean a strip down.

Which is the pump relay?  Just having a look in haynes...
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #8 on: 15 September 2008, 21:31:42 »

One of the top ones (purple?) in the relay box.

I would be bunging another 5 litres in as a starter to help it re-prime to.
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #9 on: 15 September 2008, 21:35:54 »

Thanks Mark!  I'll give the relay a prod and then try another 5L's in the morning.  10L's to get the piston party started?  WOW

Thanks for your help chaps, i'll report back ASAP.
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #10 on: 15 September 2008, 21:45:52 »

The replays are rick solid.  No bad connections there.  I found two purple ones, are they the same and can i swap them over?

Surely with the fuel rail being pressurised, i should have heard a fart at least?

how can i test if the fuel pump is running?
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #11 on: 15 September 2008, 22:04:27 »

Just tried again and cranked for 10 seconds or so.  The EML goes out eventually.

I'm betting on lack of fuel now, even though ive just put 5L's in the tank.  I am a arse for not filling her up on time...  :'(

LPG regulator is up the spout and i have a new one being delivered weds.  If the LPG was working i would have started her on LPG, warmed her up and drove the station.
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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #12 on: 16 September 2008, 09:11:54 »

Right, dropped another 5L's in this morning, o should be about 12L's al least in the tank and still no start  :'(

The only thing that can stop the injectors for sqirting is if the LPG ecu has been disconnected, which it shouldn't be.

I will ahve another look this afternoon.

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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #13 on: 16 September 2008, 10:30:00 »

Can you hear the fuel pump starting when you get someone to crank the engine? If not, check fuse & relay and also suspect crank sensor, I'd say. ECU will only energise the fuel pump when it detects cranking.

If pump is running, have you got fuel pressure? Loosen the flow union from the fuel pump to rail and see if fuel escapes under pressure.

Have you tried cranking it with foot on floor for a few seconds? Just thinking if an injector has leaked and flooded it?

If there's no fuel pressure, it could be that it has sucked air due to the low fuel level but needs considerably more in the tank to prime the pump.

Try taking off the flow line to the rail and extending it with some fuel hose into a can, then crank the engine so the pump can prime with no restriction to flow (i.e. it's not pumping against the FPR so may prime easier). Make sure you get a solid stream of fuel here, then reconnect.

Then disconnect the return line from the rail, extend the union on the rail with a length of fuel hose into a can and check you have plenty of flow here.

Indicentally, if you want to run the fuel pump without cranking the engine, take a short length of cable with a spade connector on each end and short the two wider pins on the fuel pump relay base. Be very wary of generating a spark with fuel vapour around, of course.

I assume the LPG wiring doesn't break into the fuel pump circuit? Mine certainly doesn't. Fuel pump runs as usual on LPG.

I'd be surprised if it were the injector signals because unless there's a major problem with the LPG ECU you would only lose one injector as they're individually switched. Would be worth checking the supply to the LPG ECU, although even still, I'd expect it to loop through the injector signals if its' supply failed. Mine certainly does.

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Re: 2.6 Facelift not starting after a pedal beating.
« Reply #14 on: 16 September 2008, 11:51:36 »

Thanks Kev, thanking you for your reply.

Right I’ll have spades at the ready this afternoon.  Yes you are right about the fail safe LPG ECU injector wiring to and from the petrol injectors.  If the unit looses power the petrol injectors remain connected, so I am pretty certain that this isn't the problem.  I even removed the LPG ECU a while back and then the car wouldn’t start, so this enforces this theory.

I find it hard to imagine that priming the pump takes so much fuel, but I have never needed to prime one and have never completely ran out of fuel.  So I will try again with more juice tonight.

What really puzzles me is that if the fuel pump/fuse or relay is up the duffer, surely the car would cough and fart a little and try to start, but this isn't the case, it just keeps cranking over.
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