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[justme]

i think some reading lessons needed here , firstly the gearbox changes were an issue which ended up being the g/box ecu,[ive only changed 1 box] has been fine for a week with no faults & no warnings popping up but today i lost drive totally, this is a totally different fault to the last one, CHRISGIXER thanks for that you got it in pretty much spot on, MARKDTM the original fault when i got the car was g/box check lit, ended up being g/box ecu but could drive the car manually,this g/box that went today got me 25 yards or so then lost drive,no manual change either but no check message, all the atf has gone into the g/box main sump, as taking the plug out with engine running i would expect a dribble not a torrent of atf that half filled my groundbait bucket [5 litre bucket], so my theory is that it aint pumping & to what ive read & also been told the likely candidate is the thrust washer, i know its difficult to follow my story as so much has gone on & even i get confused sometimes , so the best thing is to treat it as a one off fault rather than trying to combine the two episodes as the original fault was not the gearbox,,,,,blimey i need a stiff one,,,errrrr drink that is as for this car well im waiting for the ghost of jeremy beadle to pop up on the back seat cos this cant be real

Tim,

         In reality you have answered your own question, you drove it as a manual ?, as stated by many your box was OK. Without electrics you aint going anywhere, auto or manually, mechanically you would have known all about it. Now you can swapout the box the problem will not be resolved.
         That is why I asked you about your old ecu, still dont think there is anything wrong with it.  Back to the drawing board.
  

[unlucky alf]

with answer to sassanach, i think its safer to change it to be honest as id have to take it out to repair it anyway, but it would be nice to find the problem for future reference, but whatever the problem is happened when everything was cold as it was o,k on the motorway yesterday, perhaps if i was to drop the front sump & i found bits floating about that would indicate the washer,if as you say the washer doesnt effect the circulation of fluid then it must be the pump, i would also like to eliminate the t/c but dont know enough about them but would have thought the pump if working would have kept the big sump at a normal level & the t/c would still have the atf in it knackered or not, & as the pump is mechanical i dont suppose it can be tested easily,,,,thanks for your info as you probably understand autos better than me.

[unlucky alf]

JUSTME, I changed the ecu & the g/box warning went, this is after changing the ar25 for a ar35 with no joy, & yes you can drive a auto with no electrics as i had the ecu sitting indoors while i drove it manually around the block,& people were saying my ecu was o,k & it was the g/box that was the probable fault, oh & the ecu is knackered as the new one makes a single click when ignition is switched on, the old one clicked twice which indicates a relay shutting down as a protection,[hence the g/box warning] at the time i didnt realise this & assumed it was due to one relay activating another but looking inside & seeing one relay confirmed it.

[sassanach]

the pump can be tested very easily in the car with a pressure gauge,which is why i asked you what you were planning to do, as i have one here which i am willing to send  to you.ps you might possibly have a blocked filter which would also cause the problem you describe ie no flow = no pressure

[unlucky alf]

hi SASSANACH, thanks for your offer of the pump, the only thing is that if it turns out not to be the pump ive then got to return the g/box to MUTANTCAV & i dont think he`d appreciate me taking it to bits then returning it, i still have an ar25 laying about if the pump would fit from that, perhaps if i talk to MC first & see what he says, the next thing of course is i dont have a pressure gauge to test the original one,also how do the pumps come out?, so just to recap on ths fault, if it was the thrust washer the atf would still circulate, which then leaves the pump as the likely problem, so do i first take off the small sump to check for bits from the washer before going further or take it the pump is u/s & go straight for that as it does sound logical & save me time, anyhow if somebody can tell me A] is the ar25 pump the same & B]how does it come out & C] while the bottom is off is there anything else to do or look for,, its a shame i didnt have my 2 spare sumps ready as im in the process of fitting them with drain plugs, oh well

[MutantCav]

Tim if the gearbox is fubarred then it doesnt matter if its in bits or not...it will be going down to the scrappy! If it needs fixing and you can easily fix it then great, do what you need to do to fix it If it cant be fixed, come get a replacement and bring back the old one, all in one or in bits and I will send the old one to meet its maker! lol

[sassanach]

you misunderstand mate ,ive got a pressure gauge here i am willing to lend you.you can only test the pump in the car as its engine driven.if you are brave you can remove the test plug on the gearbox where a test gauge would fit and start the engine .the pressure there is approx 50 psi and you will find out very quickly(and messily)if the pump is functioning.ps is messily a real word?

[feeutfo]

you misunderstand mate ,ive got a pressure gauge here i am willing to lend you.you can only test the pump in the car as its engine driven.if you are brave you can remove the test plug on the gearbox where a test gauge would fit and start the engine .the pressure there is approx 50 psi and you will find out very quickly(and messily)if the pump is functioning.ps is messily a real word?

Where is the test plug on the box, Sas?

[MutantCav]

Was going to ask that too lol

[HerefordElite]

you misunderstand mate ,ive got a pressure gauge here i am willing to lend you.you can only test the pump in the car as its engine driven.if you are brave you can remove the test plug on the gearbox where a test gauge would fit and start the engine .the pressure there is approx 50 psi and you will find out very quickly(and messily)if the pump is functioning.ps is messily a real word?

Checked TIS and at idle 50psi is spot on Sas

put it in Reverse apply brakes and rev motor (box stall speed) and it rises to 190psi now that's messy

edit:

was trying to get pic out of TIS and on to photobucket and on to OOF but no luck getting out of TIS (i'm cr4p with pc's)

[Marks DTM Calib]

you misunderstand mate ,ive got a pressure gauge here i am willing to lend you.you can only test the pump in the car as its engine driven.if you are brave you can remove the test plug on the gearbox where a test gauge would fit and start the engine .the pressure there is approx 50 psi and you will find out very quickly(and messily)if the pump is functioning.ps is messily a real word?

Checked TIS and at idle 50psi is spot on Sas

put it in Reverse apply brakes and rev motor (box stall speed) and it rises to 190psi now that's messy

edit:

was trying to get pic out of TIS and on to photobucket and on to OOF but no luck getting out of TIS (i'm cr4p with pc's)

Shift + Print screen and then paste into photo or similar drawing package, save as a jpg, upload to photo bucket and post the link.

[Marks DTM Calib]

[unlucky alf]

so i take out plug no1 as its labelled, start up & wait for a gusher!, could jam a bit of pipe in it to a bottle or something, right id better try it as the mrs is getting annoyed & chopping firewood with her bare hands , i think i can just make out what plug it is or is it a bolt but i take it its on the nearside sort of above the front sump, if it dont gush its phuqed itake it.

[unlucky alf]

just a thought before i go under, if i was to have the engine running & slacken the plug rather than take it out would i get a hissing or some fluid weeping around the threads?, itll save the mess & too much loss of atf but will indicate pressure wouldnt it?

[unlucky alf]

right!, i got what i think is the correct plug [11mm] started it up & sod all came out in the way of fluid, now does this tell me 100% that its the g/box pump?, then the next question is does an ar25 pump fit the ar35 box?, id like to know before stripping stuff apart all over the place as i dont want to waste my time, i suppose it would be best to clean the filter, will engine cleaner do it as ive got some of that, anyhow im awaiting a reply now so i can get on with it, many thanks to all for your help, its gonna be the biggest round ive ever bought