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[unlucky alf]

i was thinking the name isaac hunt would be more apt for me PHIL , Ive taken the sump off the old box thinking i could use it as my sump gasket fell to bits & guess what,,,,,no bleedin` gasket just some blue gunge & the bolts were so tight my 1/4 drive ratchet gave up, one had been stripped so i fought like a bugger to get it out, ive changed the filter over now but as ive got no gasket i`ll have to wait til monday, i bet vx dont keep them so itll be another couple of days, then buying new atf etc & so it goes on, & what is the betting it still wont work, if this car was a horse they would shoot the bloody thing & me like an idiot wont give up

[unlucky alf]

if the pump is that dirty great lump thats held in place by the bellhousing bolts how the hell could that fail [oops i forgot its me thats why ] has it got the mainshaft on it?, oh & MC i know you wouldnt knowingly sell a duffer so dont feel guilty, just come round here with another box & fit it & we`ll say no more about it

[philhoward]

Not giving up doesn't make you an idiot, tim...

If it makes you feel any better, i managed to rescue a car (the first Reliant Scimitar SS1, chassis No.1, and also 1984 Motorshow Car) from a 10 year slumber.  Engine siezed, etc.  Unsiezed the engine, then it overheated (blocked rad). Got it on the road last month, now the petrol tank is rotten (fuel looks like proper scrumpy).  Got that sorted - now some "£$%^&*((* has smashed the front bumper (then just driven off), destroying the immaculate, one-off Pearl paint job which has survived 24 years...

All this a day before its about to be shown off at a public exhibition to ex-Reliant employees who prepared it in 1984..

[unlucky alf]

HEY PHILHOWARD we must be related,  i was restoring a mk1 monza which was one of only 25 built in that spec, the friend whos garage i was using done a moonlite flit from his landlord, landlord sees car & scraps it, it was due to be painted that weekend so i know how you feel [& dont get me started on my corsair]

[justme]

JUSTME, I changed the ecu & the g/box warning went, this is after changing the ar25 for a ar35 with no joy, & yes you can drive a auto with no electrics as i had the ecu sitting indoors while i drove it manually around the block,& people were saying my ecu was o,k & it was the g/box that was the probable fault, oh & the ecu is knackered as the new one makes a single click when ignition is switched on, the old one clicked twice which indicates a relay shutting down as a protection,[hence the g/box warning] at the time i didnt realise this & assumed it was due to one relay activating another but looking inside & seeing one relay confirmed it.

Tim would you like to rethink that.

that aint no gearstick you are using ? guess what is on the end of it ?
I'll give you a clue "it was full of oil" I could have sworn that it was a switch.

Again no electrics no gear change. it is the solonoids that change your gears they are electrically operated.  Nothing else that I am aware of will do it for you. Anyone who knows diffrent please let me know.

OK  Electrics in a mess solonoids & brakebands dont know where they are (funny things happen with bad electrics) Does the box get naffed, of course it does not. Oil gushing out of course it will it aint got nowhere else to go when you remove the plug. whats happened the bypass valve has opened, just as it was meant to all the time. built in safety wonderfull thing asint it, saved your box or as it.?

The replacement ecu was second hand wasnt it ?
Was the double click trying to tell you something ?
Driving without ecu : what is achieved it has done away with
Converter lockup cntrl
oil temp sensor
Main fluid pressure cntrl ?
crankshaft sensor
output speed sensor, used soley by the box
turbo diesel cntrl unit
to name just a few.
Your AT switch is connected to your  ignition switch & starter motor, EGR solonoid, injection rectifier solonoid, filter heating assembly, & reversing lights. via D : F : E : H on the switch
there is a story there somewhere.

Would you asscribe the previous owner with enough gumption to alter the electrics in trying to solve the problem. ?

Gearbox changed : ECU changed : Problems persist. Time to move on

Oil gushing out nowt wrong with your oil pump. it is the only thing that will give you pressure, or the oil would just sit there so forget it. Others have mentioned enough to exclude the box, in my opinion for what it's worth.

[unlucky alf]

o,k JUSTME, i always thought that the gearbox was mechanical as well as electrical & again i did drive it with no ecu, electrics are fine, when ecu was changed everything was o,k & not problem persist as you say, the atf gushing out was not under pressure but it was due to the system failing somewhere & torque converter not being replenished with atf due to an obvious fault in the gearbox, so if there is no atf being pumped then there is no atf to the t/c & consequently no drive to the transmission & a overfill scenerio of the g/box sump being the result, so working on the theory i have explained it all points to zero pressure due to blocked filter or g/box pump failure. & if the electrics were the issue i would get a warning message, this im not getting so its definately a mechanical issue.

[feeutfo]

move on to where? What do you suggest?

[unlucky alf]

ive moved from boolsshot to logical i think that is a wise move innit chris!

[feeutfo]

ive moved from boolsshot to logical i think that is a wise move innit chris!

Yeah, and no small amount of patience. Blimey.

[unlucky alf]

i thought i explained that the gearbox sump appeared overfull due to no circulation, perhaps a picture of me & my bait bucket half full of atf might help

[Marks DTM Calib]

You ca use Loctite 598 instead of the gasket and this is readily available from Halfords.

As for the box operation, the 4L30E is a mechancial box with electronic control and can run with the ECU removed!

[unlucky alf]

thanks DTM, i cant do anything today anyway as weve got to visit the inlaws , i will try & get a gasket first tomorrow as im of the opinon that if it should be there i put it there,[from my mechanical training], also a trip to the £1 shop to get a couple of washing up bowls so if it still doesnt work after changing filter at least i can salvage the new atf , in your opinion & experience do you think the filter is/was the culprit?, have you ever known it ?, its just it happened so suddenly, oh & thanks for confirming the mechanical g/box operation thing, i already knew that as i might be mad [& going madder] but im certainly not stupid

[Marks DTM Calib]

thanks DTM, i cant do anything today anyway as weve got to visit the inlaws , i will try & get a gasket first tomorrow as im of the opinon that if it should be there i put it there,[from my mechanical training], also a trip to the £1 shop to get a couple of washing up bowls so if it still doesnt work after changing filter at least i can salvage the new atf , in your opinion & experience do you think the filter is/was the culprit?, have you ever known it ?, its just it happened so suddenly, oh & thanks for confirming the mechanical g/box operation thing, i already knew that as i might be mad [& going madder] but im certainly not stupid

Lol, well my design training tells me that gaskets are used to speed production assembly where as, more often than not, a sealent would do a better job  

You will be doing well to find anybody with one in stock to  

[unlucky alf]

hi DTM, i wasnt blowing my own trumpet or having a dig at you, its just to make the point that im not as green as i am cabbage looking [if you know what im on about ]

[justme]

i thought i explained that the gearbox sump appeared overfull due to no circulation, perhaps a picture of me & my bait bucket half full of atf might help

Hi Tim  I should have gone to specsavers