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[cem_devecioglu]

VX dealer advises snapped bolt on tensioner causing tensioner to move - bolts supplied with kit therefore they think it is VX warranty issue. VX have advised dealer to refit belt and see what happens but I think we all know that the damage has been done. Nothing I can do now til tuesday

No bolt on the tensioner, just a nut on a stud.....bet the handfisted bugger didn;t use a torque wrench to 20Nm on it!

You think it may have been overtightened, and maybe thread stripped?

Or damaged.....if the thread on the stud had been stretched then it would be weak and could shear at ony moment.....and most likely once everything had got nicely stinking hot, expanded adn been revved a bit.

Thing is, its rare you see mechanics using torque wrenches!Either way, Vx will examine that stud and if it was over tightened then they will be able to tell by looking at the fracture and state of the nut etc!

yep..even in services

[chrisdb]

Sounds to me mate that it's time to consult a solicitor, or Consumer Direct - http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/ (0845 04 05 06).

Find out what your rights are - don't guess.

Good luck  

[pscocoa]

well, you should be paying for the new cambelt, less something for the inconvenience of the problem (perhaps less everything???)

All workmanship and materials should be covered by VX warranty, so as long as they invoice you for the work they have done it should be fine

YBH, it sounds like your dealer has been fair with you and the liklihood is that they will be fair if further trouble occurs.  Despite us knocking VX dealers it is good to hear good stories sometimes

I have already paid for the cambelt as the problem arose when driving it away from garage. I will have to wait and see what they come up with - but yes - the dealer has been good on this matter.

[jonathanh]

maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here but is the dealer saying that if you had paid for the new engine there would we a warranty but as you have not paid for it there is nothing.  the answer is obvious!

Dealer refunds you for the cambelt change because after all that was faulty.  you then pay the same amount for the new engine.  Solution: you have a warranty!

Whether the dealer will play ball will depend on whether any warranty claims are reimbused by VX or are a dealer cost.  I suspect the former so he should play ball

[pscocoa]

maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here but is the dealer saying that if you had paid for the new engine there would we a warranty but as you have not paid for it there is nothing.  the answer is obvious!

Dealer refunds you for the cambelt change because after all that was faulty.  you then pay the same amount for the new engine.  Solution: you have a warranty!

Whether the dealer will play ball will depend on whether any warranty claims are reimbused by VX or are a dealer cost.  I suspect the former so he should play ball

[pscocoa]

maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick here but is the dealer saying that if you had paid for the new engine there would we a warranty but as you have not paid for it there is nothing.  the answer is obvious!

Dealer refunds you for the cambelt change because after all that was faulty.  you then pay the same amount for the new engine.  Solution: you have a warranty!

Whether the dealer will play ball will depend on whether any warranty claims are reimbused by VX or are a dealer cost.  I suspect the former so he should play ball

You make a good point - will try this if not sorted sensibly. About 5 years ago I had a sun roof under warranty but had to pay 10% as they considered sunroof an accessory - wrangling went on for a short while but it was only £20 to pay so dropped it.

Cam belt cost will be about 10% of VX costs for engine.

[pscocoa]

I am a pretty laid back guy and maybe that is the source of the problem - engine arrived on Monday and was told ready for tuesday. I was away on tuesday so said no problems pick it up wednesday - give VX more time and no pressure (so I thought). Set off to pick up tonight - told sorry not ready - wait for it - a problem with some bolts!!! Awaiting parts from VX.

What is it with these bolts? Something very strange!

Get home and there is a VX letter recalling the Signum for a handbrake modification!!

Can't pick the Omega up tomorrow so hope for friday.

Warranty issue now resolved anyway -12 months warranty on engine agreed.

[robby30]

I am a pretty laid back guy and maybe that is the source of the problem - engine arrived on Monday and was told ready for tuesday. I was away on tuesday so said no problems pick it up wednesday - give VX more time and no pressure (so I thought). Set off to pick up tonight - told sorry not ready - wait for it - a problem with some bolts!!! Awaiting parts from VX.

What is it with these bolts? Something very strange!

Get home and there is a VX letter recalling the Signum for a handbrake modification!!

Can't pick the Omega up tomorrow so hope for friday.

Warranty issue now resolved anyway -12 months warranty on engine agreed.

i bet the recall letter for the signum is for them to stick a note on the sunvisor telling you to leave it in gear when parked. we lost a few traffic cars when the handbrake failed and about a year ago they recalled the vectra to give us a sticker, still havent fixed the problem!

[Marks DTM Calib]

I am a pretty laid back guy and maybe that is the source of the problem - engine arrived on Monday and was told ready for tuesday. I was away on tuesday so said no problems pick it up wednesday - give VX more time and no pressure (so I thought). Set off to pick up tonight - told sorry not ready - wait for it - a problem with some bolts!!! Awaiting parts from VX.

What is it with these bolts? Something very strange!

Get home and there is a VX letter recalling the Signum for a handbrake modification!!

Can't pick the Omega up tomorrow so hope for friday.

Warranty issue now resolved anyway -12 months warranty on engine agreed.

i bet the recall letter for the signum is for them to stick a note on the sunvisor telling you to leave it in gear when parked. we lost a few traffic cars when the handbrake failed and about a year ago they recalled the vectra to give us a sticker, still havent fixed the problem!

No manufacturer has.....its a standad brake setup used on loads of cars from VAG to Ford.

The issue is that you clamp a disc ....which might be hot and when it cools down it contracts and off it rolls.

[feeutfo]

I am a pretty laid back guy and maybe that is the source of the problem - engine arrived on Monday and was told ready for tuesday. I was away on tuesday so said no problems pick it up wednesday - give VX more time and no pressure (so I thought). Set off to pick up tonight - told sorry not ready - wait for it - a problem with some bolts!!! Awaiting parts from VX.

What is it with these bolts? Something very strange!

Get home and there is a VX letter recalling the Signum for a handbrake modification!!

Can't pick the Omega up tomorrow so hope for friday.

Warranty issue now resolved anyway -12 months warranty on engine agreed.

i bet the recall letter for the signum is for them to stick a note on the sunvisor telling you to leave it in gear when parked. we lost a few traffic cars when the handbrake failed and about a year ago they recalled the vectra to give us a sticker, still havent fixed the problem!

No manufacturer has.....its a standad brake setup used on loads of cars from VAG to Ford.

The issue is that you clamp a disc ....which might be hot and when it cools down it contracts and off it rolls.

A guy at work had exactly that with a new honda civic, his parking space is on a slope, just got the key to his flat in the front door and bang, it hit a car in the bay opposite. He new what had happened, it just took him 5 mins to summon the courage to turn round and actually see it for himself. Not a happy chap.

[VXL V6]

Easy answer is always leave an auto in park and always leave a manual in the gear opposite to the direction the car could roll.
I was always taught to start a manual car with the clutch engaged thereby removing the drag of turning the gearbox with the starter motor, point being that it's irrelevant if the car is in gear when you start it then.

[albitz]

Dont know why they didnt stick with the older omega type handbrake setup.when the hot drum cools and contracts,it must contract tighter around the shoes, making the handbrake more effective. :-/

[Kevin Wood]

Dont know why they didnt stick with the older omega type handbrake setup.when the hot drum cools and contracts,it must contract tighter around the shoes, making the handbrake more effective. :-/

Cost saving measure. The Omega effectively has 2 brake setups at the rear - a disk and a drum. Compared to just adding a few parts to the brake caliper to support a handbrake, it's expensive.

I have to say I have the Ford style rear disk brake with hand brake on my kit car and it has been fine. It's not a heavy car, though, and I guess in "normal" road driving the brake probably doesn't get too hot.

Kevin

[Andy B]

Dont know why they didnt stick with the older omega type handbrake setup.when the hot drum cools and contracts,it must contract tighter around the shoes, making the handbrake more effective. :-/

Cost saving measure.  ......

You used to get twin pot calipers at the front of a Vauxhall/Opel eg Manta Mk I Cavalier. IMHO far better than the crappy sliding caliper set ups that are used now.

[Kevin Wood]

Dont know why they didnt stick with the older omega type handbrake setup.when the hot drum cools and contracts,it must contract tighter around the shoes, making the handbrake more effective. :-/

Cost saving measure.  ......

You used to get twin pot calipers at the front of a Vauxhall/Opel eg Manta Mk I Cavalier. IMHO far better than the crappy sliding caliper set ups that are used now.

Agreed, although twin pots are probably heavier, but that was a cost cutting measure too. IIRC, even my [size=8]Morris Ital[/size] had twin-pot front calipers and certainly all the early Ford stuff did too.

Kevin