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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #60 on: 20 October 2008, 22:46:19 »

I imagine it's a Tech 2 job only. Not sure if any 3rd party tools can program it.

Depends on the attitude of the dealer as to how much they'd charge and, TBH, whether they'd even touch it if it is already "correctly" coded for the vehicle. :-/

.. of course, if someone collected a couple of control units from the scrappies and made up a harness to program them they could perhaps be done by post on an exchange basis. The control unit is small enough after all.

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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #61 on: 21 October 2008, 08:21:22 »

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Oh wow...  finally an answer (I hope!)!!!!

Right. I'm an electronics+software engineer, now how the hell do I build/cobble/bodge/buy something that I can do this change with?????

Failing that, a visit to VX ££££..??

Thanks Mark et all...

Edwin


I have a spare that I could programme up for you to try....
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #62 on: 21 October 2008, 08:38:23 »

That would be stunning :-)

Absolutely stunning: its pre-2000 (1998) and I suspect min assist would be appropriate! (and after replacing pretty much every link in the suspension/steering, I have the same symptoms as above....)

Shall we do a swap - I've got a spare on its way to me (courtesy of 3.99 and ebay  :-/ ) ?

If you could drop me a PM, it would be *very* much appreciated!
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #63 on: 21 October 2008, 10:25:58 »

I'm having similar or identical problem. Replaced only the shocks and that long thing that goes from power steering pump to wheal (I don’t know what it calls). My power steering is leaking and I taut that the correction in driving has something to do with it, maybe power steering pump has some lose in it, if that is possible.

The symptoms are (especially now with wider tires):
-      need to correct the steering wheel when going on straight road, if the road is not so flat (angled or bumps)
-      when I turn full to the right and than to opposite only when standing still I hear and feel a bang like click bat harder and is felt throe the car, wary unpleasant
-      the power steering pump is leaking
-      car is wobbly when changing lanes and if there is deformation between the lanes it is scary :) , it takes me to fast over it like I turn harder but I don’t
- and pullyng to the left when braking

Sorry for bad language I hope that you can understand what I mean
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #64 on: 21 October 2008, 10:38:57 »

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I'm having similar or identical problem. Replaced only the shocks and that long thing that goes from power steering pump to wheal (I don’t know what it calls). My power steering is leaking and I taut that the correction in driving has something to do with it, maybe power steering pump has some lose in it, if that is possible.

The symptoms are (especially now with wider tires):
-      need to correct the steering wheel when going on straight road, if the road is not so flat (angled or bumps)
-      when I turn full to the right and than to opposite only when standing still I hear and feel a bang like click bat harder and is felt throe the car, wary unpleasant
-      the power steering pump is leaking
-      car is wobbly when changing lanes and if there is deformation between the lanes it is scary :) , it takes me to fast over it like I turn harder but I don’t
- and pullyng to the left when braking

Sorry for bad language I hope that you can understand what I mean

It sounds like you have more issues than simply over-assisted steering. Particularly the pulling under braking and noises on full lock make me think you might have a failed wishbone bush or track rod end. I would take a careful look over all the front suspension for anything with play in it.

Was it the steering idler you have recently replaced? If not, this is another candidate for failure.

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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #65 on: 21 October 2008, 10:49:58 »

did not noticed play in any part, i think that ideler was not changed, need to see what was changed, before that change there was serious play in steering wheel now there is yust a little but correction on bad road needs to be done. aligment is ok and car is not puling on fine road (thats rare in croatia :) )

i wish i can change all the suspitious parts but that is lots of money :( so im trying to find the cause and save some money
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #66 on: 28 October 2008, 11:37:13 »

After driving the car for a while, I'm still noticing some strange things going on, nowhere near as bad but some I would like to nail so can you help with a couple of questions please...


What will happen if I remove the relay, will the car default to min assist?

If so, Mark - Can I send you my relay for you to check the programming (and/or reprogramme to min assist please)

Many thanks...
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #67 on: 28 October 2008, 11:56:39 »

Whereabouts in Norfolk are you?

I can't promise anything, but I'm visiting my cousin in Wymondham at the weekend.


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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #68 on: 28 October 2008, 12:00:18 »

Hi mate,

Thanks for the offer. I'm only about 30 miles away but may struggle as I'm moving. Will pull the relay first, read a previous post by Mark saying it will give you heavy steering - yey that would be good!

Do I have to pull the glove box out to get to it?

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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #69 on: 28 October 2008, 12:09:28 »

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Right

Did a few tests

The servotronic has not changed throughout production (checked with a relay out of a 1995 car that I had) but, you have to set the model year to 1997 on Tech 2.

There are 6 settings, 3 for pre 2000 and 3 for 2000 onwards.

And thats about it!

So, set the car to max assist (code 011 for a 2000 car)....and its to assisted.....all over the place.

Set car back to min assist (code 009 for a 2000 car which is that standard setting) much better......and not all over the place any more

Any idea what a code index of 018 means?  :-/

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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #70 on: 30 October 2008, 20:05:17 »

Hi everyone, I am so glad I joined this forum,on here two minutes and my god an answer to the problem I have had since i bought my 2000 omega 2.2 3 years ago.
I was so dissapointed when i bought the car cause it handles like a soggy sponge all the symptoms described i am still suffering I am assuming that these units are on all model Omegas perhaps you folks can clarify this for me, I see a mention of programming is this correct or can you simply unplug and plug a new one in? any advice would be more than gratefully received.
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #71 on: 30 October 2008, 20:36:02 »

I have a feeling the 2.2 doesn't have servotronic PAS. Only V6s IIRC? I might be wrong... :-/

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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #72 on: 30 October 2008, 20:46:10 »

oh no there was me thinking yahoo at last an answer, is it worth pulling the glove box out and having a look, the symptoms listed are absoluetly spot on and as mentioned in the earlier post on motorways it gets pretty scary and ruts in the road are like a roller coaster ride.
I love the car to bits and thats why i have stuck at it, the misses has driven it once and said oh no not for me its all over the road never got behind the wheel since.
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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #73 on: 30 October 2008, 23:17:30 »

Might be worth having a look. I have conflicting information here. :-/

Otherwise, the usual suspects are worn front wishbone bushes, play in steering idler bush and suspension geometry incorrect.

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Re: Steering Diagnostic Please...
« Reply #74 on: 30 October 2008, 23:36:21 »

I've been following this thread with some interest as I'm not entirely happy with my steering either. I've always suffered with a bit of tramlining but have been told its fairly common with the wider tyres I have on the Azev rims. I had the geometry done at WIM earlier this year as well as new front tyres, and Tony also checked the wishbones, steering idler, etc. and said all was ok but said one of the wishbones had a very tiny amount of play but said it wouldn't need replacing for some time. It was noticeably better after the WIM treatment but seems to have got worse again, particularly on uneven road surfaces where it tends to wander with the ruts and bumps in the road. There's no play in the steering either so I'm wondering if I might need the steering assist settings adjusted that have been mentioned in this thread?
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