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[MickAP]

Yep can confirm I have similar. I also put it down to the chip, pre chip no judder. Mine is a manual all I can confirm it can judder at low speed say around 35mph. Sometimes also around 45/50mph when decreasing speed, a good explanation is as above as if you've selected too higher gear when accelerating.
It doesn't bother me too much and sometimes never happens at all, but I do think the chip is the answer to the problem.
I intend to try and give everything a good clean out soon, and also change the leak off pipes, just to satisfy myself it's not anything else really.

Mick

[Omegatoy]

hmm i had this when i frst chipped mine, put it down to the extra horses from the chip, got really fed up with it as it would do it in neutral after a few months and it was the dmf out of balance!!! changed it and the judder went, mine had done 88k then,not saying yours is the dmf but it could be!!!

[Seth]

Mine does the same at around the 1500 rpm mark, and also post-chipping.

Recently though, it seems to have settled down, and I've changed my driving technique to largely overcome it anyway.

[TheBoy]

Hmmmm, I know Turk hinted his issue existed before chipping, what about you other guys?

Turk - I'd look at certainly fixing the egr bit, whether related or not, as a first port of call.


Thinking back, trying to remember if mine had any roughness, but can't remember - my RPM was normally much higher

[Turk]

As a test, Omegatoy advised that I blank off the EGR pipe where it enters the throttle body(easy 10 minute job). I used a section cut from a coke can and evenly tightened up the two 13mm bolts to squeeze the tin over the lip and seal off the EGR pipe.
The judder has subsided significantly, not completely, but a heck of a lot better and now only happens occasionally in the 1500rpm > 2000rpm range.
I suspect next step is to remove the inlet manifold and throttle body and give them a good clean out with something like Gunk.
I may be in luck and not have an issue with the injection pump being on its last legs.    

Omegatoy advised that using coke can material will only last a hundred miles or so before it burns through and that steel plate would be better, but I think(hope) I may be able to avoid this blanking by cleaning out the inlet manifold etc.

P.S
Don't let any of these tales of judders and rumbles put off any would be chippers. Earlier I had a 20 mile M4 run with cruise set at 70, with the last 5 miles being A-roads and roundabouts. As I previously mentioned, my juddering issues are now significantly reduced with further cleaning to be done...and the Average MPG display is showing 63.2 mpg.
Ask Sethsmate, he gets good MPG and he's up and down the Maesteg Alps most of the time.
OK, so let's say the display is now 10% out after chipping. That's still giving well over 56mpg at a steady 70mph. 
An accurate test would be to Brim it - Drive it - Brim it ....when I can afford to fill it  

[platty]

Hmmmm, I know Turk hinted his issue existed before chipping, what about you other guys?

Pre-chipping (about 12 months ownership in this state) I noticed no problems in the rev range whatsoever - other than it being hideously slow.

Post-chipping (about 14 months ownership in this state) I have a violent judder around 1500rpm, but most noticeable in 5th at 50-55mph. I know my N/S engine mount has 1 bolt sheared and this could compound the problem (or could have been caused by it :-?) but it is very present.

I now avoid the "dead zone" when driving to try and keep my teeth in my mouth for a few more years.

[Seth]

Hmmmm, I know Turk hinted his issue existed before chipping, what about you other guys?

Pre-chipping (about 12 months ownership in this state) I noticed no problems in the rev range whatsoever - other than it being hideously slow.

Post-chipping (about 14 months ownership in this state) I have a violent judder around 1500rpm, but most noticeable in 5th at 50-55mph. I know my N/S engine mount has 1 bolt sheared and this could compound the problem (or could have been caused by it :-?) but it is very present.

I now avoid the "dead zone" when driving to try and keep my teeth in my mouth for a few more years.

Aye, same here, I avoid the this zone by hanging on to the lower gears, and letting the lump rev a little harder before changing up the 'box.

Saying that, the juddering seems to have disappeared recently. I'm wondering if it's down to using 'proper' diesel for some months now, rather than 'supermarket' juice. That's all I conclude presently, as it runs better and emissions are reduced too. Hmmmm ........

[Seth]

Hmmmm, I know Turk hinted his issue existed before chipping, what about you other guys?

Turk - I'd look at certainly fixing the egr bit, whether related or not, as a first port of call.


Thinking back, trying to remember if mine had any roughness, but can't remember - my RPM was normally much higher

Yes Jamie, mine had a rough-running fault when I first got it.

Fuel filter assembly completely overhauled after finding that the heater portion wasn't securely seated to the head. Gave it a drink of Forte and changed the filter at the same time.

Experience also dictates that the lump has to be kept revving freely and 'on song' - it doesn't like being driven in 'Miss Daisy' mode.
Gotta drive it like you stole it ...... !

[Seth]

As a test, Omegatoy advised that I blank off the EGR pipe where it enters the throttle body(easy 10 minute job). I used a section cut from a coke can and evenly tightened up the two 13mm bolts to squeeze the tin over the lip and seal off the EGR pipe.
The judder has subsided significantly, not completely, but a heck of a lot better and now only happens occasionally in the 1500rpm > 2000rpm range.
I suspect next step is to remove the inlet manifold and throttle body and give them a good clean out with something like Gunk.
I may be in luck and not have an issue with the injection pump being on its last legs.    

Omegatoy advised that using coke can material will only last a hundred miles or so before it burns through and that steel plate would be better, but I think(hope) I may be able to avoid this blanking by cleaning out the inlet manifold etc.

P.S
Don't let any of these tales of judders and rumbles put off any would be chippers. Earlier I had a 20 mile M4 run with cruise set at 70, with the last 5 miles being A-roads and roundabouts. As I previously mentioned, my juddering issues are now significantly reduced with further cleaning to be done...and the Average MPG display is showing 63.2 mpg.
Ask Sethsmate, he gets good MPG and he's up and down the Maesteg Alps most of the time.
OK, so let's say the display is now 10% out after chipping. That's still giving well over 56mpg at a steady 70mph. 
An accurate test would be to Brim it - Drive it - Brim it ....when I can afford to fill it  

Yes Turk, dear fella ......

Mine undoubtedly gets quite a hard life with the terrain here in the Valleys. The area's an excellent 'tractor proving-ground' and as you rightly state, the only accurate method of calculating fuel consumption gives 33 mpg. Sure, I'd like it even better, but lets be realistic - it's a leviathon, just over a decade old, and with close on 150k miles under it's belt.
I'm quite happy, taking all this into account.

Important point: Mrs Sethsmate loves it .... !

[unlucky alf]

sounds like the EGR might have something to do with it then, when i got my tractor it had been blanked off, ive since fitted the pipe on it as it should be & mine has the judders but i never put it down to that as i replaced g/box & chip at around the same time, when the weather starts behaving i`ll blank it off again & see if it makes a difference :-/

[TheBoy]

As a test, Omegatoy advised that I blank off the EGR pipe where it enters the throttle body(easy 10 minute job). I used a section cut from a coke can and evenly tightened up the two 13mm bolts to squeeze the tin over the lip and seal off the EGR pipe.
The judder has subsided significantly, not completely, but a heck of a lot better and now only happens occasionally in the 1500rpm > 2000rpm range.
I suspect next step is to remove the inlet manifold and throttle body and give them a good clean out with something like Gunk.
I may be in luck and not have an issue with the injection pump being on its last legs.    

Omegatoy advised that using coke can material will only last a hundred miles or so before it burns through and that steel plate would be better, but I think(hope) I may be able to avoid this blanking by cleaning out the inlet manifold etc.

P.S
Don't let any of these tales of judders and rumbles put off any would be chippers. Earlier I had a 20 mile M4 run with cruise set at 70, with the last 5 miles being A-roads and roundabouts. As I previously mentioned, my juddering issues are now significantly reduced with further cleaning to be done...and the Average MPG display is showing 63.2 mpg.
Ask Sethsmate, he gets good MPG and he's up and down the Maesteg Alps most of the time.
OK, so let's say the display is now 10% out after chipping. That's still giving well over 56mpg at a steady 70mph. 
An accurate test would be to Brim it - Drive it - Brim it ....when I can afford to fill it  

Diesels do need lots of EGR for economy, so I'd be inclined to clean the egr (paint stripper).

[TheBoy]

Hmmmm, I know Turk hinted his issue existed before chipping, what about you other guys?

Pre-chipping (about 12 months ownership in this state) I noticed no problems in the rev range whatsoever - other than it being hideously slow.

Post-chipping (about 14 months ownership in this state) I have a violent judder around 1500rpm, but most noticeable in 5th at 50-55mph. I know my N/S engine mount has 1 bolt sheared and this could compound the problem (or could have been caused by it :-?) but it is very present.

I now avoid the "dead zone" when driving to try and keep my teeth in my mouth for a few more years.

My commute in was a horrible 40-50mph all the way, but my auto didn't like that speed (constant 3rd/4th changing) so mine was always locked in 3rd until I hit dual carriageway...

[MickAP]

As a test, Omegatoy advised that I blank off the EGR pipe where it enters the throttle body(easy 10 minute job). I used a section cut from a coke can and evenly tightened up the two 13mm bolts to squeeze the tin over the lip and seal off the EGR pipe.
The judder has subsided significantly, not completely, but a heck of a lot better and now only happens occasionally in the 1500rpm > 2000rpm range.
I suspect next step is to remove the inlet manifold and throttle body and give them a good clean out with something like Gunk.
I may be in luck and not have an issue with the injection pump being on its last legs.    

Omegatoy advised that using coke can material will only last a hundred miles or so before it burns through and that steel plate would be better, but I think(hope) I may be able to avoid this blanking by cleaning out the inlet manifold etc.

P.S
Don't let any of these tales of judders and rumbles put off any would be chippers. Earlier I had a 20 mile M4 run with cruise set at 70, with the last 5 miles being A-roads and roundabouts. As I previously mentioned, my juddering issues are now significantly reduced with further cleaning to be done...and the Average MPG display is showing 63.2 mpg. Ask Sethsmate, he gets good MPG and he's up and down the Maesteg Alps most of the time.
OK, so let's say the display is now 10% out after chipping. That's still giving well over 56mpg at a steady 70mph. 
An accurate test would be to Brim it - Drive it - Brim it ....when I can afford to fill it  

1) Mine said around 47mpg...............towing a 1500kg caravan! real figure around 28/30mpg if I'm lucky.

2) And the rest I reckon the only way to test is as said and brim it and do a manual check as mentioned.

Having said all this it's a must to get your TD chipped, wouldn't change it back.

Mick

[TheBoy]

As a test, Omegatoy advised that I blank off the EGR pipe where it enters the throttle body(easy 10 minute job). I used a section cut from a coke can and evenly tightened up the two 13mm bolts to squeeze the tin over the lip and seal off the EGR pipe.
The judder has subsided significantly, not completely, but a heck of a lot better and now only happens occasionally in the 1500rpm > 2000rpm range.
I suspect next step is to remove the inlet manifold and throttle body and give them a good clean out with something like Gunk.
I may be in luck and not have an issue with the injection pump being on its last legs.    

Omegatoy advised that using coke can material will only last a hundred miles or so before it burns through and that steel plate would be better, but I think(hope) I may be able to avoid this blanking by cleaning out the inlet manifold etc.

P.S
Don't let any of these tales of judders and rumbles put off any would be chippers. Earlier I had a 20 mile M4 run with cruise set at 70, with the last 5 miles being A-roads and roundabouts. As I previously mentioned, my juddering issues are now significantly reduced with further cleaning to be done...and the Average MPG display is showing 63.2 mpg. Ask Sethsmate, he gets good MPG and he's up and down the Maesteg Alps most of the time.
OK, so let's say the display is now 10% out after chipping. That's still giving well over 56mpg at a steady 70mph. 
An accurate test would be to Brim it - Drive it - Brim it ....when I can afford to fill it  

1) Mine said around 47mpg...............towing a 1500kg caravan! real figure around 28/30mpg if I'm lucky.

2) And the rest I reckon the only way to test is as said and brim it and do a manual check as mentioned.

Having said all this it's a must to get your TD chipped, wouldn't change it back.

Mick

bet the economy has improved though, since chipping

[MickAP]

As a test, Omegatoy advised that I blank off the EGR pipe where it enters the throttle body(easy 10 minute job). I used a section cut from a coke can and evenly tightened up the two 13mm bolts to squeeze the tin over the lip and seal off the EGR pipe.
The judder has subsided significantly, not completely, but a heck of a lot better and now only happens occasionally in the 1500rpm > 2000rpm range.
I suspect next step is to remove the inlet manifold and throttle body and give them a good clean out with something like Gunk.
I may be in luck and not have an issue with the injection pump being on its last legs.    

Omegatoy advised that using coke can material will only last a hundred miles or so before it burns through and that steel plate would be better, but I think(hope) I may be able to avoid this blanking by cleaning out the inlet manifold etc.

P.S
Don't let any of these tales of judders and rumbles put off any would be chippers. Earlier I had a 20 mile M4 run with cruise set at 70, with the last 5 miles being A-roads and roundabouts. As I previously mentioned, my juddering issues are now significantly reduced with further cleaning to be done...and the Average MPG display is showing 63.2 mpg. Ask Sethsmate, he gets good MPG and he's up and down the Maesteg Alps most of the time.
OK, so let's say the display is now 10% out after chipping. That's still giving well over 56mpg at a steady 70mph. 
An accurate test would be to Brim it - Drive it - Brim it ....when I can afford to fill it  

1) Mine said around 47mpg...............towing a 1500kg caravan! real figure around 28/30mpg if I'm lucky.

2) And the rest I reckon the only way to test is as said and brim it and do a manual check as mentioned.

Having said all this it's a must to get your TD chipped, wouldn't change it back.

Mick

bet the economy has improved though, since chipping

Err .....the jury still out on that one, but I reckon so.
Hard to come to any conclusion as I don't use the TD as a daily, so can't check properly.
Drove it for the 1st time in around 10 days this week, then remembered the MOT runs out this week..........booked in for next week.

Mick