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Steam from air vents
« on: 11 July 2009, 21:43:48 »

As the title suggests i had steam coming from my air vents (odourless) whilst driving today - as soon as i noticed i switched the a/c off and then 5 minutes later thought i could smell burning rubber.
I did notice whilst in traffic the temperature seemed to rise very slightly quicker than normal.

I had a look under the bonnet and nothing seemed untoward and there was no loss of coolant. A few hours later i drove around again and the a/c worked fine. I am at a loss to figure out what was wrong and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the problem is.
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #1 on: 12 July 2009, 10:15:07 »

steam...? Wtf. New one on me. Are the drains clear? Should see 2 constant drips of water from either side of gear box when on lo. Any bubbling noises or a dribble of water from the foot vent area? Had that on mine a couple of weeks ago. When you steam was it hot? Which would be odd with ac on obviously, so presume just a bit of condensation blowing out for some reason....strange though.
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #2 on: 12 July 2009, 16:08:48 »

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As the title suggests i had steam coming from my air vents (odourless) whilst driving today - as soon as i noticed i switched the a/c off and then 5 minutes later thought i could smell burning rubber. I did notice whilst in traffic the temperature seemed to rise very slightly quicker than normal.

I had a look under the bonnet and nothing seemed untoward and there was no loss of coolant. A few hours later i drove around again and the a/c worked fine. I am at a loss to figure out what was wrong and would appreciate any suggestions as to what the problem is.

Check your aux belt mate ;)
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #3 on: 12 July 2009, 19:00:28 »

The drains are clear. The steam came when it was on lo. When i switch off the engine after using ac I do notice a bubbling noise coming from around the hbv area. The aux belt seems ok.

I will check the drips from the gearbox. If there are no drips what does this point to?
Thanks for the suggestions
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #4 on: 12 July 2009, 19:01:29 »

Steam in vents? Heater matrix ok? Any coolant loss?
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #5 on: 12 July 2009, 19:02:56 »

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Steam in vents? Heater matrix ok? Any coolant loss?

No loss of coolant. I did use the a/c for a couple of minutes only today and there were no problems
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #6 on: 13 July 2009, 14:18:52 »

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steam...? Wtf. New one on me. Are the drains clear? Should see 2 constant drips of water from either side of gear box when on lo. Any bubbling noises or a dribble of water from the foot vent area? Had that on mine a couple of weeks ago. When you steam was it hot? Which would be odd with ac on obviously, so presume just a bit of condensation blowing out for some reason....strange though.
When you say ou had that on yours a couple of weeks ago - was that steam or bubbling and did you manage to track down the issue and solve it?
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #7 on: 13 July 2009, 14:54:06 »

Had steam come through my air vents a few years back when the heater matrix let go on a previous mega,but that was in the depths of winter.Thats the only real area that would cause symptoms described.
Unsure how much coolant would be lost,but would have expected it to be noticeable.
Best do a pressure teast for leaks in the coolant system.
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #8 on: 13 July 2009, 15:06:29 »

I had this happen in Spain on my AC. sure its not the cold air hitting the very warn air and vaporising? Somthing like that, but it might just be that simple ;)
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #9 on: 13 July 2009, 15:13:19 »

Some responses from another forum on the same topic: :y May spread some light on the issue, may not :D

I am not very competent in these matters, but it may be a leak in the heat exchanger and the "mist" is actually atomized engine coolant/antifreeze. My car had a similar problem and I don't think it went away until the heat exchange was replaced. (Though my memory is fuzzy - we had the mist, we had the heat exchange replaced, but I'm not 100% sure those were correlated).

Anyway, an outside possibility. It might just be moisture. Does it happen continually or just when the AC starts up?
posted by GuyZero at 10:14 AM on June 21, 2006



It happens when I start the A/C, but if I increase the temp (put the slider in the middle) it goes away.
posted by sandmanwv at 10:16 AM on June 21, 2006



This happened to me before and I remember being told (by the mechanic?) that it was harmless -- I think it was something like frozen condensation. (Braces self for embarrassment from being way wrong.) Has it been very humid?
posted by theredpen at 10:29 AM on June 21, 2006



If it's not already been done, switch to the recirculating air. I think that the vapor could be the result of constantly cooling particularly humid air from outside. I've heard that, as it's only recooling the air that's already in the car, the recirc is usually much more efficient, too (but that, when using the heater, you should use the outside air function, otherwise your windows will get foggy).
posted by penchant at 10:30 AM on June 21, 2006



I think theredpen is right, especially if the effect is pronounced with colder air. I think you're seeing condensation from cooling humid air. Should be fine.
posted by futility closet at 10:40 AM on June 21, 2006



If it were an antifreeze leak, you would probably smell it. Vaporized antifreeze has a distinct sweet smell. I bet penchant is right.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 10:40 AM on June 21, 2006



I believe most auto AC systems have something called a dryer. The dewpoint in southern climates is 70 degrees during the summer, and the air coming out of the vents is 40, so somehow the system is removing moisture (unless it's already been dried somehow, such as by recirculating). Otherwise the air coming out would be foggy and the ducts would be soaking wet. So I wonder if this is a dryer issue. I'm not so sure it's harmless... if moisture is condensing inside the ducts, mildew and mold are going to have a field day.

If it makes you feel any better, I sometimes flew on C-5 cargo jets, and when the plane was on the ground in hot, humid weather, the heat exchangers would be blowing out cold, foggy air. It was nice and cool, but it was like London fog where you couldn't see more than 30 feet.
posted by rolypolyman at 10:46 AM on June 21, 2006



This used to happen to me all the time in muggy weather. I'm still alive. I always assumed it was condensation.
posted by CunningLinguist at 11:47 AM on June 21, 2006



rolypolyman writes "I believe most auto AC systems have something called a dryer."

True but the dryer is part of the internal refrigerant system and has no effect on the cabin air.

rolypolyman writes "The dewpoint in southern climates is 70 degrees during the summer, and the air coming out of the vents is 40, so somehow the system is removing moisture"

The evaporator (the cold part that cools the air) will have moisture condense on it there by dehumidifying the cabin air1. This can sometimes cause a mist to be blown into the cabin but it shouldn't be an every time thing.

Most likely you have either 1) a leak in your heater core (which as Kirth says you should be able to smell/taste) or 2) your A/C drain vent is plugged causing liquid water condensed by the evaporator to be blown by the fan into the cabin.

This excess moisture can cause a musty odour from your A/C system and if the water level over flows the catch tray it can wet your carpets and at in the extreme rust out the floors from the carpet being wet all the time. The latter is more of a concern with older cars that didn't have multi layer paint and anti corrosion coatings.

The A/C drains are fairly easy to unstop with a piece of wire if you can find where the tube exits the car.

[1] This is why modern cars run the A/C when the HVAC is set to Recirculating Defrost.
posted by Mitheral at 2:33 PM on June 21, 2006



Mitheral: ...your A/C drain vent is plugged causing liquid water condensed by the evaporator to be blown by the fan into the cabin. and This excess moisture can cause a musty odour from your A/C system and if the water level over flows the catch tray it can wet your carpets and at in the extreme rust out the floors from the carpet being wet all the time.

This problem happened with my '96 Accord; the A/C was blowing misty air into the cabin, but after I had convinced myself that the vapor wasn't anything toxic, I ignored the problem for a few months. Eventually enough water collected somewhere to soak through to the carpet, stinking up the car with mildew. While I don't remember the explanation given by the mechanic, Mitheral's sounds right to me.
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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #10 on: 13 July 2009, 15:17:27 »

Hi I hope it's something as simple as that. I did a collant flush / change about 2 months ago but couldn't get access to do the Heater matrix.

The a/c is not as cold as i would like it and I have been meaning to get it done by coolaircon who also pressure test. My concern is that the heater matrix needs flushing but i haven't been able to do it. This might be a silly question but does it require fresh coolant when you do this?

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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #11 on: 13 July 2009, 21:52:19 »

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steam...? Wtf. New one on me. Are the drains clear? Should see 2 constant drips of water from either side of gear box when on lo. Any bubbling noises or a dribble of water from the foot vent area? Had that on mine a couple of weeks ago. When you steam was it hot? Which would be odd with ac on obviously, so presume just a bit of condensation blowing out for some reason....strange though.

I checked and there were no drips coming from the gearbox. I do get a bubbling noise from around hbv are but no water as far as i can tell when i switch the engine off - did you replace your hbv or do something else?
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« Reply #12 on: 13 July 2009, 22:10:03 »

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steam...? Wtf. New one on me. Are the drains clear? Should see 2 constant drips of water from either side of gear box when on lo. Any bubbling noises or a dribble of water from the foot vent area? Had that on mine a couple of weeks ago. When you steam was it hot? Which would be odd with ac on obviously, so presume just a bit of condensation blowing out for some reason....strange though.

I checked and there were no drips coming from the gearbox. I do get a bubbling noise from around hbv are but no water as far as i can tell when i switch the engine off - did you replace your hbv or do something else?
sorry Radar, Ac drains are either side of gear box and, on mine, when on lo give a stedy stream of drips 1 maybe 2 a second from each. sounds like yours are blocked or there is no cold air to give condensation, which needs to escape somewhere hence the drains.


Re my bubbling and water in foot vent issue, only did it once briefly and is all fine now. No action taken, was concerned re a matrix leak, but the water defo smelt like ac not coolant.


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Re: Steam from air vents
« Reply #13 on: 13 July 2009, 22:16:44 »

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steam...? Wtf. New one on me. Are the drains clear? Should see 2 constant drips of water from either side of gear box when on lo. Any bubbling noises or a dribble of water from the foot vent area? Had that on mine a couple of weeks ago. When you steam was it hot? Which would be odd with ac on obviously, so presume just a bit of condensation blowing out for some reason....strange though.

I checked and there were no drips coming from the gearbox. I do get a bubbling noise from around hbv are but no water as far as i can tell when i switch the engine off - did you replace your hbv or do something else?
sorry Radar, Ac drains are either side of gear box and, on mine, when on lo give a stedy stream of drips 1 maybe 2 a second from each. sounds like yours are blocked or there is no cold air to give condensation, which needs to escape somewhere hence the drains.


Re my bubbling and water in foot vent issue, only did it once briefly and is all fine now. No action taken, was concerned re a matrix leak, but the water defo smelt like ac not coolant.


Thanks Chris - can you tell me where the a/c drains are as i'm a bit thick. How do you clean/clear them? The a/c comes on cold but not as much as it used to.
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« Reply #14 on: 13 July 2009, 22:34:25 »

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steam...? Wtf. New one on me. Are the drains clear? Should see 2 constant drips of water from either side of gear box when on lo. Any bubbling noises or a dribble of water from the foot vent area? Had that on mine a couple of weeks ago. When you steam was it hot? Which would be odd with ac on obviously, so presume just a bit of condensation blowing out for some reason....strange though.

I checked and there were no drips coming from the gearbox. I do get a bubbling noise from around hbv are but no water as far as i can tell when i switch the engine off - did you replace your hbv or do something else?
sorry Radar, Ac drains are either side of gear box and, on mine, when on lo give a stedy stream of drips 1 maybe 2 a second from each. sounds like yours are blocked or there is no cold air to give condensation, which needs to escape somewhere hence the drains.


Re my bubbling and water in foot vent issue, only did it once briefly and is all fine now. No action taken, was concerned re a matrix leak, but the water defo smelt like ac not coolant.


Thanks Chris - can you tell me where the a/c drains are as i'm a bit thick. How do you clean/clear them? The a/c comes on cold but not as much as it used to.

only seen them once when i had the atf done on a ramp, from  memory, you need to be right under the gap between box and transmission tunnel right at the top, but with no water dripping they may well be hard to spot.

But if ac is not running efficiently, ie cold, i suppose its possible the system is not getting cold enough to produce enough condensation. Sounds like you need an ac spececilist anyway tbh. :-/



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