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Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« on: 01 November 2009, 12:04:28 »

Got a 51 plate CDX.

Managed to finally get the oil filter cap off. Seems the last person to do the oil had poor eyesight and read 15Nm as 15k Nm.

Anyway, finally off but housing loose and cannot see a nut or anything to tighten. There's a round silver bit it sits on but cannot see what is in it. Allen key? How do I tighten the housing back on?

Chucking down with rain this morning and now wet through and covered in oil. How I love home mechanicking ...
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #1 on: 01 November 2009, 12:19:08 »

mine had 12mm allen key bolt
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #2 on: 01 November 2009, 12:20:44 »

12mm?

Right, let's give it a go ... at least the rain has stopped!
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #3 on: 01 November 2009, 12:23:27 »

you might find that all the tangs on the housng have snapped off,be sure to find all of em if they have.
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #4 on: 01 November 2009, 12:23:49 »

still p1ssing it down here hopefully will stop very soon then, good luck with getting it sorted matey
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #5 on: 01 November 2009, 12:33:08 »

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12mm?

Right, let's give it a go ... at least the rain has stopped!

IIRC some have hexagonal nut.  :-/
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #6 on: 01 November 2009, 13:04:08 »

Great. Biggest key I've got is 10 mm. However, 3/4 extension bar just disappears up the hole, that must be close to 12mm.

Any other takers or it is off to Halfords!
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #7 on: 01 November 2009, 13:08:16 »

No nut that I can see. Nothing dropped out with the filter and I've cleaned inside and still saw nothing. Therefore assume nothing slipped out without me noticing. Why change the effing tools all the time? A bolt is a bolt. Just leave it a size that we all use. I used to be able to strip my first cavalier with 17mm, 13mm and 10mm spanners. Now I need Torx spanners and MarksDTM knows what else.
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #8 on: 01 November 2009, 13:14:52 »

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..... Why change the effing tools all the time?  ......

Cos they can! :( And they know me & thee will then have to buy more tools to keep up .....   :y
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #9 on: 01 November 2009, 14:29:58 »

Well, I can't even get the tools. Halfords, Screwfix, B&Q: none of them sell 12mm allen keys. Think I'm out of options. Looks like the missus will be without a car next week! On the upside, maybe she'll lose a bit of weight!
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #11 on: 01 November 2009, 16:29:04 »

Second Halfords came up trumps. 12mm hex key it was. Job done and what a relief. Was really losing it earlier. Why manufacturers cannot just stick to half a dozen standard bolts I have no idea. New record for changing an oil filter though. 10 minute average with new maximum if a shade over 24 hours. What a palaver.

Many many thanks for everyone's help and support. Really did uplift me. Now, just got to fix my mother's drains and then I can get changed and maybe find a pint.
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #12 on: 01 November 2009, 16:42:39 »

Got one to do next weekend - but gone for the cartridge mod.
Got the bits yesterday from a mate at a VX garage (cheap then!!!).

Hope the ally housing comes off......cos it certainly won't be going back on!
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #13 on: 01 November 2009, 19:58:19 »

Well, if it helps, here are some pointers on what NOT to do:

1) Assume it is like all the old Vauxhalls you've ever worked on and pitch up with a chain filter wrench and 3/4" socket.

2) Jack the car up, slide underneath and stare in amazement at obstacle number 1: a torx bolt on the sump.

3) Having acquired a torx bit and drained the oil, slide across to remove the old filter. 24mm socket required whereas biggest in toolbox is 22mm. Alley casting so probably can't get enough leverage with anything smaller than 24mm, eh?

4) Having now splashed out on a 24mm socket be amazed as the whole smegging housing starts to turn and various bits of dirt drop down into your eyes. As an added bonus, the seating is likely to be upset just enough for engine oil to start trickling down your forearm and up your sleeve.

5) Tighten the other way quickly and scratch head for a bit. Try loosening and tightening again. At this stage realise that although the housing is getting looser, it sure isn't coming off and the end cap is still securely welded on. More importantly, the housing won't tighten up either - car is going nowhere.

6) Following search of Omega Owners forum go out and buy a metal strap filter winch (£12.99 from Halfords but who else is open at 6pm on a Saturday night?)

7) Return to the car and slide back underneath. Now chucking down with rain and (not a lot of people know this) an interesting point is that the rain actually collects behind the bumper then somehow comes out under the engine and slowly trickles up your thigh towards your nads.

8) After a further hour of dicking about finally resort to mole-grips to get the band wrench tight enough to stop the outer housing rotating. Swore I was going to crack the casing at this stage. Hold the band wrench by jamming a bar across it onto the transmission housing and unscrew 24mm socket on end cap. End cap finally comes off.

9) Now thoroughly sodden through, blink through the tears, rain, oil and general detritus that's fallen in your face and try to work out how the smeg the housing is bolted on.

10) Another trip to the Omega Owners forum reveals that the housing is held in place by a 12mm hex key. Largest in toolbox is 10mm. Another new tool required. Begin to wonder if I've effed up and inadvertantly mixed up an oil filter change with a big end bearing replacement.

11) Screwfix only sell up to 10mm hex keys.

12) Same with B&Q.

13) Some Halfords sell them; some don't. Hope you get lucky.

14) 12mm hex socket, in the hole, tighten it up, we're heading home.

15) Reassemble with new filter and tighten to 15Nm. Not 50Nm. Not 500Nm. Not 15k Nm. In fact, looking at the rubber gasket I'm not even sure the cap needs screwing all the way until it stops. Certainly, when it does stop don't go any further.

16) Would you believe it? The smeggin rain has stopped.

17) Another interesting fact: Haynes have written a manual for the mig from 1999 onwards but don't appear to be releasing it. Has an ISBN number but the Haynes websitre says: under consideration.

18) Refill with oil and perform usual checks to ensure no leakage then drop the car back down, final fluid check and off to get dry.
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Re: Inside the oil filter housing - how is it held on?
« Reply #14 on: 01 November 2009, 20:03:30 »

Couple of freudian slips there. I meant a metal strap filter wrench, not a metal strap filter winch ... although in hindsight the latter would probably have been better.

Similarly I menat the haynes website, not websitre or websatire.

Typing is almost as good as my mechanicking ...
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