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[Radar]

On my prefacelift you had a dial which you could move from blue to red to control the cabin temperature without having to switch on the heater or a/c. This dial is not on the facelift and for some reason it has started to annoy me. (I also preferred on the prefacelift you just pressing the a/c button whilst still on 0 fan speed to demist the windscreen)
Even on my old 5 series you could control the temp. by an inbuilt dial on the air vents (one blue dot up to 3 red dots). Is there a good reason why this feature has been ommited from the facelift model?

[hotel21]

Not too sure what you are asking...   :-?

The controls you describe is not climate control, just simple heater or basic A/C.

On the facelift, if you press in the drivers temp button and release, adjust the temp to what you want then press in and release again - it adjusts both sides, not just the one.

Eco button drops the A/C and gives basic Mk1 heating control.

Left upper button (opposite spacing to the HRW/rear demist button) gives front demist.

What else you asking??   :-?

[Entwood]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf

Page 126 onwards if you don't have a manual to read ... 

And the Climate control is absolutely brilliant, constant temperature and no misting up at all ...

[Radar]

Maybe it is me getting lazy in my old age as my main gripe is that in my prefacelift i would move the red/blue dial to the desired level and whenever i drove i didn't need to touch a button.
Thanks Hotel21 for the tip on changing both sides.
Thanks Entwood for the link but i can't download pdf files on my laptop. (Must do that adobe download!)   

[Andy H]

I know where Radar is coming from.

I drove a 1994 2.5 V6 CD for 6 years which had the manual dials.

Because the coloured strips behind the dials were breaking up they occasionally stuck under my finger nails (ouch  ). Despite that I could always get comfortable 

I thought, when I picked up my 2003 elite 3 months ago, that I was looking forward to a life of comfort. I feel quite let down  .

I spend more time changing the settings to try and get comfortable with the climate system than I ever did with the simple dial controls. It seems to be fighting me rather than giving me what I set it to.

I find the fan noise infuriating. I very rarely used to turn my fan above speed 1 but the climate control seems to go to full speed for no apparent reason.

 :-/

[mathewst]

If climate control is set to auto it will go to full speed to try to achieve the temperature as fast as possible.
Turn the climate on without auto button and set it to desired values and it should stay that way

[Radar]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

[tunnie]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

Eh? Its same dimensions of pre-facelift!  :-/

As for temp settings, there is a nice dial to set the temp to exactly what you want, 19/20/21 degrees and so on.

If you like the old style so much, sell it and buy the older one.

[hotel21]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

Eh? Its same dimensions of pre-facelift!  :-/

As for temp settings, there is a nice dial to set the temp to exactly what you want, 19/20/21 degrees and so on.

If you like the old style so much, sell it and buy the older one.

Same as the prefacelift and minifacelift climate control.  Chap has/had the basic rotary dial setup previously.

That said, i prefer the climate setup rather than the rotary dial.  Generally have it set at either 19 or 20, with aircon on, so as to ensure the cabin demists quickly (not that the inside needs it - quite dry...) and the fans don't go ballistic, despite the latest aircon software... 

[tunnie]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

Eh? Its same dimensions of pre-facelift!  :-/

As for temp settings, there is a nice dial to set the temp to exactly what you want, 19/20/21 degrees and so on.

If you like the old style so much, sell it and buy the older one.

Same as the prefacelift and minifacelift climate control.  Chap has/had the basic rotary dial setup previously.

That said, i prefer the climate setup rather than the rotary dial.  Generally have it set at either 19 or 20, with aircon on, so as to ensure the cabin demists quickly (not that the inside needs it - quite dry...) and the fans don't go ballistic, despite the latest aircon software... 

I usually leave it in 'Auto' for the first 5 mins or so, bring the temp down. Then manually override with a lower fan speed. Once its brought the temp down, i find the slowest fan speed keeps the temp the same, without all the noise.

Winter i find its practically silent, apart from the first initial warm up.

Not sure on Radars comment on leg room, in the 3.0 Auto i have bags of room for my left leg, and i am 6ft4!

[hotel21]

Your 6'4" legs are skinny.

Some folks have short and stumpy tree trunks like me....   

[tunnie]

Your 6'4" legs are skinny.

Some folks have short and stumpy tree trunks like me....   

Still plenty of room with the old man pack auto, if you opt for driver involvement version, leg room is less, but still good. Although i get lazy and tuck my feet under the pedals with the cruise on 

[Radar]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

Eh? Its same dimensions of pre-facelift!  :-/

As for temp settings, there is a nice dial to set the temp to exactly what you want, 19/20/21 degrees and so on.

If you like the old style so much, sell it and buy the older one.

I can just go by my personal experience and comparing the two my left leg/shin area could be rested further to the left on the prefacelift (I'm 6ft 2 and 16 1/2 stone so i might be a bit wider than some). These are very minor gripes but if a nice prefacelift came my way i would consider it.

[Andy H]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

Eh? Its same dimensions of pre-facelift!  :-/

As for temp settings, there is a nice dial to set the temp to exactly what you want, 19/20/21 degrees and so on.

If you like the old style so much, sell it and buy the older one.

Same as the prefacelift and minifacelift climate control.  Chap has/had the basic rotary dial setup previously.

That said, i prefer the climate setup rather than the rotary dial.  Generally have it set at either 19 or 20, with aircon on, so as to ensure the cabin demists quickly (not that the inside needs it - quite dry...) and the fans don't go ballistic, despite the latest aircon software... 

Did the climate system have many software updates? Mine is a 2003 Elite (so I assume has the final software version) and the fan does 'go ballistic' quite frequently. 

[Jimbob]

I agree with you Andy (you explained it far better than i could). I have also had the climate upgrade done which admittedley does improve the smoothness of the fan speed but is still not as smooth as i would hope. Whilst i'm moaning i feel the facelift has too wide a centre console (starting from just beneath the front ashtray) and this restricts how far you can spread/stretch your legs.
   

Eh? Its same dimensions of pre-facelift!  :-/

As for temp settings, there is a nice dial to set the temp to exactly what you want, 19/20/21 degrees and so on.

If you like the old style so much, sell it and buy the older one.

Same as the prefacelift and minifacelift climate control.  Chap has/had the basic rotary dial setup previously.

That said, i prefer the climate setup rather than the rotary dial.  Generally have it set at either 19 or 20, with aircon on, so as to ensure the cabin demists quickly (not that the inside needs it - quite dry...) and the fans don't go ballistic, despite the latest aircon software... 

Did the climate system have many software updates? Mine is a 2003 Elite (so I assume has the final software version) and the fan does 'go ballistic' quite frequently. 

Yes, the climate updates make a big bifference to usability